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Post by FUBeAR on Jun 8, 2015 21:39:09 GMT -5
Hey I am new to Mercer world so I welcome the longer post so I can uderstand Mercer Football more. Beside, not like this fan page gets a lot of action so write away! Thanks An old bull and a young bull stand on a hillside, overlooking a pasture. The young bull says to the old bull, “Hey, let’s run down the hill and 'make love to' one of those heifers.” The old bull replies, “let’s walk down the hill and 'make love to' ALL of them.”Jackal is an old bull.
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Post by jackal on Jun 8, 2015 22:10:23 GMT -5
There are few schools left in the FCS that can draw 20k plus. In 2014, FCS schools averaged just over 8,000 fans a game. The SoCon schools average over that, despite losing their two biggest draws (App State and Georgia Southern). Not only did those schools draw well at home (App consistently around 25k for the last ten years or so, and GSU consistently approaching 20k), but they also brought a lot of fans on the road.
Last season, only one school in the FCS drew over 20k a game--Montana. Montana, unlike many FCS schools in the south, is a flagship university with multiple national titles and 18 conference titles. With maybe one or two exceptions, the "biggest draws" at the FCS level fit one of three profiles: (1) major universities in states outside of the South (Delaware, UNI, NDSU, Montana), (2) Ivy League (Yale, Harvard, etc.) or (3) Historically Black Colleges (Jackson State, Southern, etc.)
Mercer does not fit one of those profiles. Mercer, like several of the remaining SoCon schools, is a small private college located in a state already dominated by large football programs. Mercer has a large alumni network, but many (probably most) of their grad students have allegiances to other universities. There are not many folks that "grow up" a Mercer or Furman fan like one grows up an Alabama or Georgia fan. That fan base has to be created, and it is usually limited to those people that attended or who had close family that attended the school. Obviously, that number is going to have a limit.
For those used to watching big programs like Georgia and Auburn, the FCS can feel a little high schoolish. However, Mercer's stadium, like most in the SoCon, are far bigger than most college parks around the country. In my opinion though, it is the way college football is meant to be, not this semi-pro garbage that takes over the airwaves for months every year.
I think if you are going to look at Mercer's future attendance, there are plenty of good comparables. College football attendance is down (D1 attendance dropped by nearly 700k fans last season). Furman and Wofford are both small liberal arts colleges with lower undergraduate enrollment than Mercer. Samford is a very similar school. Those schools, these days, tend to draw between 7-10k fans. In good years, Furman would push 13k. I think now that GSU and App (and their large fan bases) are gone, and once the "newness" factor wears off, Mercer will find itself somewhere in that range.
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Post by FUBeAR on Jun 9, 2015 9:30:04 GMT -5
There are few schools left in the FCS that can draw 20k plus. In 2014, FCS schools averaged just over 8,000 fans a game. The SoCon schools average over that, despite losing their two biggest draws (App State and Georgia Southern). Not only did those schools draw well at home (App consistently around 25k for the last ten years or so, and GSU consistently approaching 20k), but they also brought a lot of fans on the road. Last season, only one school in the FCS drew over 20k a game--Montana. Montana, unlike many FCS schools in the south, is a flagship university with multiple national titles and 18 conference titles. With maybe one or two exceptions, the "biggest draws" at the FCS level fit one of three profiles: (1) major universities in states outside of the South (Delaware, UNI, NDSU, Montana), (2) Ivy League (Yale, Harvard, etc.) or (3) Historically Black Colleges (Jackson State, Southern, etc.) Mercer does not fit one of those profiles. Mercer, like several of the remaining SoCon schools, is a small private college located in a state already dominated by large football programs. Mercer has a large alumni network, but many (probably most) of their grad students have allegiances to other universities. There are not many folks that "grow up" a Mercer or Furman fan like one grows up an Alabama or Georgia fan. That fan base has to be created, and it is usually limited to those people that attended or who had close family that attended the school. Obviously, that number is going to have a limit. For those used to watching big programs like Georgia and Auburn, the FCS can feel a little high schoolish. However, Mercer's stadium, like most in the SoCon, are far bigger than most college parks around the country. In my opinion though, it is the way college football is meant to be, not this semi-pro garbage that takes over the airwaves for months every year. I think if you are going to look at Mercer's future attendance, there are plenty of good comparables. College football attendance is down (D1 attendance dropped by nearly 700k fans last season). Furman and Wofford are both small liberal arts colleges with lower undergraduate enrollment than Mercer. Samford is a very similar school. Those schools, these days, tend to draw between 7-10k fans. In good years, Furman would push 13k. I think now that GSU and App (and their large fan bases) are gone, and once the "newness" factor wears off, Mercer will find itself somewhere in that range. Like I said...an Old Bull....a WISE Old Bull. This is all spot on and a great analysis of the FCS attendance landscape. The only thing that makes Mercer potentially a wee bit different is that there is a little bit of POTENTIAL 'Statesboro-effect' in Macon, IMO. Those 20k attending GaSou games included a lot of non-GaSou grads...and the Macon CSA (Combined Statistical Area - not Confederate States of America...though both may apply has almost the same population as the Savannah CSA. Yes - Savannah is further by about an hour or so from 'real' football (SavSt excluded...as they should be) than Macon is...and Macon has been VERY fickle with Sports Teams over a long period of time...BUT....IF, a big IF, Mercer Football can truly CAPTURE and HOLD that Middle GA audience of Non-Mercer grads (the way GaSou did)...in the Macon CSA AND maybe the Military audience from Robins AFB...they have a chance to grow their crowds to that 15-20k average.
From what I've observed, the WISE Bulls at Mercer are WALKING down that hill...
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Post by jackal on Jun 9, 2015 10:15:18 GMT -5
There are few schools left in the FCS that can draw 20k plus. In 2014, FCS schools averaged just over 8,000 fans a game. The SoCon schools average over that, despite losing their two biggest draws (App State and Georgia Southern). Not only did those schools draw well at home (App consistently around 25k for the last ten years or so, and GSU consistently approaching 20k), but they also brought a lot of fans on the road. Last season, only one school in the FCS drew over 20k a game--Montana. Montana, unlike many FCS schools in the south, is a flagship university with multiple national titles and 18 conference titles. With maybe one or two exceptions, the "biggest draws" at the FCS level fit one of three profiles: (1) major universities in states outside of the South (Delaware, UNI, NDSU, Montana), (2) Ivy League (Yale, Harvard, etc.) or (3) Historically Black Colleges (Jackson State, Southern, etc.) Mercer does not fit one of those profiles. Mercer, like several of the remaining SoCon schools, is a small private college located in a state already dominated by large football programs. Mercer has a large alumni network, but many (probably most) of their grad students have allegiances to other universities. There are not many folks that "grow up" a Mercer or Furman fan like one grows up an Alabama or Georgia fan. That fan base has to be created, and it is usually limited to those people that attended or who had close family that attended the school. Obviously, that number is going to have a limit. For those used to watching big programs like Georgia and Auburn, the FCS can feel a little high schoolish. However, Mercer's stadium, like most in the SoCon, are far bigger than most college parks around the country. In my opinion though, it is the way college football is meant to be, not this semi-pro garbage that takes over the airwaves for months every year. I think if you are going to look at Mercer's future attendance, there are plenty of good comparables. College football attendance is down (D1 attendance dropped by nearly 700k fans last season). Furman and Wofford are both small liberal arts colleges with lower undergraduate enrollment than Mercer. Samford is a very similar school. Those schools, these days, tend to draw between 7-10k fans. In good years, Furman would push 13k. I think now that GSU and App (and their large fan bases) are gone, and once the "newness" factor wears off, Mercer will find itself somewhere in that range. Like I said...an Old Bull....a WISE Old Bull. This is all spot on and a great analysis of the FCS attendance landscape. The only thing that makes Mercer potentially a wee bit different is that there is a little bit of POTENTIAL 'Statesboro-effect' in Macon, IMO. Those 20k attending GaSou games included a lot of non-GaSou grads...and the Macon CSA (Combined Statistical Area - not Confederate States of America...though both may apply has almost the same population as the Savannah CSA. Yes - Savannah is further by about an hour or so from 'real' football (SavSt excluded...as they should be) than Macon is...and Macon has been VERY fickle with Sports Teams over a long period of time...BUT....IF, a big IF, Mercer Football can truly CAPTURE and HOLD that Middle GA audience of Non-Mercer grads (the way GaSou did)...in the Macon CSA AND maybe the Military audience from Robins AFB...they have a chance to grow their crowds to that 15-20k average.
From what I've observed, the WISE Bulls at Mercer are WALKING down that hill...Interesting question. I think there are some significant differences. First, Georgia Southern has an undergraduate population that is over three times larger than Mercer's. Second, unlike Macon, Statesboro is pretty well close to nothing but Savannah, which is a remote outpost in Georgia (i.e., they have a captive audience). Third, Georgia Southern has a long history of the one thing that brings out fans in droves - winning (six national titles). Even then, their last year in the SoCon Georgia Southern drew only about 15k fans. There was only a reported 12k fans there in 2013 to see the final game of an intense rivalry with Furman. You raise an interesting issue about Macon as a sports town. Unlike other cities of similar size in Georgia (Columbus, Savannah, Augusta, etc.), Macon has had difficulty for years supporting sports franchises. The fan base has largely been disinterested. I'm not sure the military will have much effect. Robins AFB is overwhelmingly civilian (compared to many Georgia Army bases which are overwhelmingly active duty). One of the oddities of Middle Georgia is that Warner Robins and Macon have always struck me as having a strained relationship. Despite having a lot of commonalities, there is very little interest on either side of engaging one another in a sort of "shared" economic enterprise. I think now that there is a bit more competent leadership in the city, that relationship may improve. Who knows what effect it will have on football.
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Post by chez23 on Jun 10, 2015 8:35:44 GMT -5
Good points made by all and I am learning more about Macon and MU; however, my point is that MU can be the dominate player in the SOCON becuase of the University and the facilities. And when you have both that are very good then you attract better talent, beter talent gets you more wins and more wins gets you SOCON championships and Championships gets you more fans and better recruits an the cycle goes around again. Mercer has the potential to really be a top FCS football program. MU is growing so that will draw better recruits as well. But the bottom line as it always is...you need to win! Winninng college football is so important and not just for the football program but for the entire University overall. Football can be such a dominating part of the schools overall success both academically and athletically. Football brings in revenue second to no other avenue for colleges. It will be interesting to see how much President Underwood values the football program and the schools commitment to growng the program.
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Post by jackal on Jun 10, 2015 8:52:32 GMT -5
Good points made by all and I am learning more about Macon and MU; however, my point is that MU can be the dominate player in the SOCON becuase of the University and the facilities. And when you have both that are very good then you attract better talent, beter talent gets you more wins and more wins gets you SOCON championships and Championships gets you more fans and better recruits an the cycle goes around again. Mercer has the potential to really be a top FCS football program. MU is growing so that will draw better recruits as well. But the bottom line as it always is...you need to win! Winninng college football is so important and not just for the football program but for the entire University overall. Football can be such a dominating part of the schools overall success both academically and athletically. Football brings in revenue second to no other avenue for colleges. It will be interesting to see how much President Underwood values the football program and the schools commitment to growng the program. Any team can become a dominant player in the SoCon. Mercer has some advantages over their competition. Their competition has some advantages over Mercer. It is not as simple as you might make it out. High school recruits are fickle (just like the high school population, generally). They choose schools for any number of reasons. Winning is just part of the equation.
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Post by chez23 on Jun 10, 2015 9:51:23 GMT -5
Then to my point from the beginning, if MU wants to stand taller then others then the stadiium needs to continue to make upgrades and not stand pat. Five Star is a good venue for sure, but to be an elite SOCON program and highly nationally ranked FCS program then Five star needs to add some thing to attract 3 star quality players. Adding 3 stars to the program will not only help MU win but will also help the University overall. Like I said before, and IMO, football drives success all over campus. Also MU needs to get FBS teams on their schedule. Obvioulsy wont be a home games but that doesnt matter, just getting an FBS team on your schedule is important Go Bears!
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Post by jackal on Jun 10, 2015 11:14:06 GMT -5
Then to my point from the beginning, if MU wants to stand taller then others then the stadiium needs to continue to make upgrades and not stand pat. Five Star is a good venue for sure, but to be an elite SOCON program and highly nationally ranked FCS program then Five star needs to add some thing to attract 3 star quality players. Adding 3 stars to the program will not only help MU win but will also help the University overall. Like I said before, and IMO, football drives success all over campus. Also MU needs to get FBS teams on their schedule. Obvioulsy wont be a home games but that doesnt matter, just getting an FBS team on your schedule is important Go Bears! That is where we are missing one other. Remember, Mercer has a brand new stadium. Brand spanking new. What is there really to enhance? Sure, they built the pressbox on the wrong side and have no shade within 400 yards of the park. Other than that, it is already a really nice facility. Furman just renovated parts of Paladin Stadium, which was built (and left relatively untouched) since 1981. Furman appeared in three national title games, won a championship, and won all but 2 of their 13 SoCon titles playing in that stadium. They had the #1 team in the country as recently as 2005 when that stadium was almost 25 years old. That is to say, you don't need only shiny new facilities to attract quality recruits. Samford has a very good team and a tiny stadium. Wofford has been a top five team with little substantive commitment to facilities that I am aware of. My opinion? Give Mercer ten years. Have some good and bad seasons and see what changes need to be made. It is foolish to overbuild a football stadium because of excitement generated in the first two seasons. Let some of the shine wear off, have a couple mediocre seasons, and then gauge whether facility enhancements are needed.
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Post by FUBeAR on Jun 10, 2015 12:54:13 GMT -5
Also MU needs to get FBS teams on their schedule. Obvioulsy wont be a home games but that doesnt matter, just getting an FBS team on your schedule is important Go Bears! Mercer is scheduled to play @ Georgia Tech in 2016 and @ Auburn in 2017. I'm sure 1...or maybe 2 FBS (occasionally) games / year will be a scheduling goal for Mercer going forward.
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Post by chez23 on Jun 10, 2015 16:00:58 GMT -5
good to hear that about MU FBS teams.... it's very important to have that type of competition on your schedule.
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Post by chez23 on Jun 10, 2015 16:19:41 GMT -5
JACKAL: I agree MU has a great stadium and I can’t wait to see a game there this year. I agree with you that for now the stadium is good and what’s even more important is the training facilities are very good ....that is a key area when bringing recruits in on visits. All these other stadiums you listed are terrible based on today college football standards. You need the facilities and training facilities etc. to succeed at a high level. MU can now build on what they are creating with football and have a great foundation to work with. I just believe that MU is in a very good spot to really make an impact with football and hopefully MU believes the same and continues to grow the program. In today's world patients is not very popular anymore. MU needs to take advantage of this great new stadium now and keep making improvements....use the momentum it has created and keep the excitement of MU football in Macon the hottest ticket to get......and only one way that happens.....win. And to win you need players and good players go where facilities and training facilities are nice and winning is in the atmosphere.
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Post by jackal on Jun 10, 2015 20:58:30 GMT -5
JACKAL: I agree MU has a great stadium and I can’t wait to see a game there this year. I agree with you that for now the stadium is good and what’s even more important is the training facilities are very good ....that is a key area when bringing recruits in on visits. All these other stadiums you listed are terrible based on today college football standards. You need the facilities and training facilities etc. to succeed at a high level. MU can now build on what they are creating with football and have a great foundation to work with. I just believe that MU is in a very good spot to really make an impact with football and hopefully MU believes the same and continues to grow the program. In today's world patients is not very popular anymore. MU needs to take advantage of this great new stadium now and keep making improvements....use the momentum it has created and keep the excitement of MU football in Macon the hottest ticket to get......and only one way that happens.....win. And to win you need players and good players go where facilities and training facilities are nice and winning is in the atmosphere. You have to free your mind from an SEC-biased view of the world. The overwhelming majority of college football programs in the country play in modest stadiums in front of a couple of thousand fans. The arms race that is the SEC and major college football is nothing like what you will see at the FCS level. Those schools rake in tens of millions in revenue. Most FCS schools (and most FBS schools, too) are lucky to break even. Just my opinion, but I would suggest visiting those stadiums you consider terrible before jumping to conclusions. Most are quite nice.
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Post by chez23 on Jun 11, 2015 7:38:26 GMT -5
I cant argue with anything you said, I guess my overall point to this story is IF MU wants to be a big time player in the FCS and SOCON then with today's football environmwent MU needs to keep improving thier facilties. We both agree as it is today MU has great facilties, but to build a FCS national champion those facilties are going to need to continue to show growth. 3 star players wont come to Mercer as it is today, sad to say it but true. I think Five Star is an awesome venue and will someday very soon MU will win a SOCON title...is that the goal or is a national title the end goal?
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