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Post by chez23 on Oct 13, 2015 16:20:17 GMT -5
Being new to MU football it appears that these last few years MU plays tough football yet always seems to find a way to lose.....that's a stigma that cant sit around any program for long. I see in here how MU is getting better...are they? Getting close to winning these Conference games is nice but that doesnt get MU the W's. MU can become a team satisifed with being close anymore, the honeymoon is over and there needs to be some accountability. Losing to Wofford and WCU the way the did needs some accountabiltiy on this coaching staff. WCU 91 yard drive with 3 minutes left isnt acceptable nor is the 14 unanswered by WCU in the 4th. The team is playing hard and that shows but now its coaches time to step up.
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 13, 2015 16:32:36 GMT -5
I feel like we had this conversation before. I'm sure no one is satisfied with losing.
That being said, all the conference games we've lost we've by less than a touchdown except for two. A 14 point loss to Western Carolina and a 28 point loss to Wofford last year.
We were double digit underdogs in every one of those games last year where were were always within 7.
The two big losses from last year, if you notice, were the two teams we just played. Wofford beat us by 28 last year and we just lost by 1 in OT. Western beat us by 14 last year and led the whole way and they just beat us by 4 with 40 seconds left.
Also, we just played last week and the 2nd half of the Wofford game without our starting outside LB, the backup outside LB, an impact receiver, our best OLineman that a central point (pulling guard) in our best running play, our blocking TE for said best running play.
I know everyone has injuries, but it's a lot tougher when you aren't even fully scholarshipped and have only been playing football games for 3 years.
Now, I would agree that we were less aggressive than I would have liked offensively in the 2nd half. But I'm not a professional football coach.
So, to your question. Of course we are better. You can just watch film and see that.
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Post by bear38 on Oct 13, 2015 16:39:58 GMT -5
I feel like we had this conversation before. I'm sure no one is satisfied with losing. That being said, all the conference games we lost we by less than a touchdown except for two. A 14 point loss to Western Carolina and a 28 point loss to Wofford. We were double digit underdogs in every one of those games last year where were were always within 7. The two big losses from last year, if you notice, were the two teams we just played. Wofford beat us by 28 last year and we just lost by 1 in OT. Western beat us by 14 last year and led the whole way and they just beat us by 4 with 40 seconds left. Also, we just played last week and the 2nd half of the Wofford game without our starting outside LB, the backup outside LB, an impact receiver, our best OLineman that a central point (pulling guard) in our best running play, our blocking TE for said best running play. I know everyone has injuries, but it's a lot tougher when you aren't even fully scholarshipped and have only been playing football games for 3 years. Now, I would agree that we were less aggressive than I would have liked offensively in the 2nd half. But I'm not a professional football coach. So, to your question. Of course we are better. You can just watch film and see that. I just have one word for how Mercer's start up program should be comparing themselves to: ETSU This is hard work. Three years in. Only TWO years of scholarship players. Give the program a break.
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Post by bear38 on Oct 13, 2015 16:52:46 GMT -5
OK. Granted that was more than one word, BUT I think the success of the past two years have led to unreasonable expectations. Including my own. Having said that, I am still disappointed in the last 3 losses. Could have, should have won all three. No question in my mind. Just the fact that the Bears are competitive is impressive at this point. While we are all disappointed about is that we look back and see we SHOULD have won those games. I can (and have) pointed to particular mistakes made, but let's not lose sight of the BIG picture here. SoCon football is tough sledding. Mercer is light years ahead of where they were expected to be at this point. They will continue to improve. The future is bright.
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Post by 95sacks on Oct 13, 2015 18:20:30 GMT -5
Agree with chez23 its coaching but do understand we are start up program but there 1 fact we cannot deny Mercer being the only SOCON football program in GA has access to the BEST football talent in the SOCON.
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Post by wcugrad95 on Oct 14, 2015 10:56:52 GMT -5
Again I am an outsider, so this is worth all you are paying for it.
Mercer is an "on the rise" team. WCU floundered for years, and recent changes to our President, AD, and head coach made a huge difference (a leadership tree that I think Mercer is already strong in). The first 2 years of Western's new leadership tenure resulted in 1 and 2 win seasons because we were not a start-up and had a full slate of FCS and FBS games. We still have plenty of room to grow, but 2 or 3 years ago we lose the game to you guys this past weekend instead of making adjustments and then finding a way to win. Mercer is doing this the right way, and will build momentum based on having some OOC success and based on your leadership and talent level. The steps are have a plan and leadership, build with adding talent, learn how to be competitive, then turn the corner where those close games start going your way more than the other guy's. Coaching is part of it, talent is part of it, but the mindset and culture are also important. I don't compare Mercer to ETSU - I compare you guys to maybe a dominate team from the Pioneer league who has made the shift to scholarship football and are now trying to turn the next corner. Oh wait - that is exactly who you guys are.
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Post by bear38 on Oct 14, 2015 12:03:35 GMT -5
Again I am an outsider, so this is worth all you are paying for it. Mercer is an "on the rise" team. WCU floundered for years, and recent changes to our President, AD, and head coach made a huge difference (a leadership tree that I think Mercer is already strong in). The first 2 years of Western's new leadership tenure resulted in 1 and 2 win seasons because we were not a start-up and had a full slate of FCS and FBS games. We still have plenty of room to grow, but 2 or 3 years ago we lose the game to you guys this past weekend instead of making adjustments and then finding a way to win. Mercer is doing this the right way, and will build momentum based on having some OOC success and based on your leadership and talent level. The steps are have a plan and leadership, build with adding talent, learn how to be competitive, then turn the corner where those close games start going your way more than the other guy's. Coaching is part of it, talent is part of it, but the mindset and culture are also important. I don't compare Mercer to ETSU - I compare you guys to maybe a dominate team from the Pioneer league who has made the shift to scholarship football and are now trying to turn the next corner. Oh wait - that is exactly who you guys are. We will add you to the payroll and give you the same compensation that MUBearDown and FUbEAR gets. It will be hard to match my comp. Thanks for your posts. Have enjoyed them. You have redeemed my view of the Catamounts. I would have liked to have seen the WCU game on a beautiful afternoon instead of in the rain. Would the stadium have been full? I bet it would be an awesome atmosphere in a full stadium with that band.
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Post by jackal on Oct 15, 2015 5:54:46 GMT -5
OK. Granted that was more than one word, BUT I think the success of the past two years have led to unreasonable expectations. Including my own. Having said that, I am still disappointed in the last 3 losses. Could have, should have won all three. No question in my mind. Just the fact that the Bears are competitive is impressive at this point. While we are all disappointed about is that we look back and see we SHOULD have won those games. I can (and have) pointed to particular mistakes made, but let's not lose sight of the BIG picture here. SoCon football is tough sledding. Mercer is light years ahead of where they were expected to be at this point. They will continue to improve. The future is bright. I agree with you. Again, outsider's perspective, but I think Mercer has done well in scheduling the past few years to give their fans an exciting look at a winning program. The reality is Mercer is not going play Ave Maria, Warner, Reinhart, Stetson, etc. forever. While I think the schedule has given Mercer a great recruiting tool and a chance to promote a hot new program, I also think that Mercer's fan base might have been given an unrealistic look at FCS/SoCon football. Many Mercer fans are completely new to this level of competition and this conference. Blowout wins are rare. Most games are tough scraps. Sometimes the fortunes shine on you, but most conference games and the overwhelming amount of out of conference games are going to be sharp fights.
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Post by wcugrad95 on Oct 15, 2015 11:42:25 GMT -5
I would have liked to have seen the WCU game on a beautiful afternoon instead of in the rain. Would the stadium have been full? I bet it would be an awesome atmosphere in a full stadium with that band. While our stadium is dated, the surrounding areas, the wide-range views from the stands, and of course "that band" make Western a very nice venue to watch a football game. We have been bad for a long time, so outside of the former annual series with Appalachian it was unusual to draw more than 8-9k to a game. There were over 12k there for the Mars Hill game to start the season, and had we not lost to Citadel I would have expected that as a typical home crowd even in the rain. But honestly, as bad as we have been the fact that we have continued to grow our Catamount Club membership and donations and still put as many fans in the seats as we did the past 10 years shows that we have a strong base. Winning cures all, including filling the stands. I also attended the WCU-Mercer game in Macon last season. I really like the setup you guys have, and of course the "newness" of everything is a selling point and makes for a good trip. And you guys really hooked the Catamount Club up with the area we had for our tailgate.
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 15, 2015 13:43:14 GMT -5
I would have liked to have seen the WCU game on a beautiful afternoon instead of in the rain. Would the stadium have been full? I bet it would be an awesome atmosphere in a full stadium with that band. And you guys really hooked the Catamount Club up with the area we had for our tailgate. ...and, so far, we have received NONE of the same courtesy from our SoCon brethren (VMI, Samford, Chatt, Wofford, and WCU). To be fair to WCU, I don't know that anyone tried to arrange something there, but we did reach out to the 1st 4 mentioned and rec'd 'brush-offs' from each. We do have 2 current SoCon venues remaining that we have not visited and I am holding out high hopes for those games. The Furman setup looks like it's going to a be a sweet deal (set up with FU by Mercer's Alumni Association, who is doing Tailgating RIGHT for this game) and I think the folks at FU have done a fantastic job at setting up a great spot, facilitating vendor relationships, marketing the availability of such...and I bet they are making a few $'s on the deal. If they aren't, I think they should. I am, or at least I think I am, working with the folks at The Citadel to have an event down there, but what that ends up looking like remains to be seen. Fingers crossed! Seems so simple to me...Every Team travels to the other's place every other year. Why not provide the visiting fans with a GREAT place to hold a GREAT Tailgate Event and be treated reciprocally by the other schools in the SoCon? With the attendance % of capacity I see at every school (ironically, except Mercer), I would think anything a school could do to draw additional fans to their games would be a top priority. Regardless of the colors they wear into the games, all of their money is GREEN...and Marshall has long-ago left the SoCon...thankfully! Thanks for calling that out 95 - gave me an oppty to vent and to call attention to an opportunity that (almost) all of the SoCon schools are missing!
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Post by jackal on Oct 16, 2015 9:15:27 GMT -5
And you guys really hooked the Catamount Club up with the area we had for our tailgate. ...and, so far, we have received NONE of the same courtesy from our SoCon brethren (VMI, Samford, Chatt, Wofford, and WCU). To be fair to WCU, I don't know that anyone tried to arrange something there, but we did reach out to the 1st 4 mentioned and rec'd 'brush-offs' from each. We do have 2 current SoCon venues remaining that we have not visited and I am holding out high hopes for those games. The Furman setup looks like it's going to a be a sweet deal (set up with FU by Mercer's Alumni Association, who is doing Tailgating RIGHT for this game) and I think the folks at FU have done a fantastic job at setting up a great spot, facilitating vendor relationships, marketing the availability of such...and I bet they are making a few $'s on the deal. If they aren't, I think they should. I am, or at least I think I am, working with the folks at The Citadel to have an event down there, but what that ends up looking like remains to be seen. Fingers crossed! Seems so simple to me...Every Team travels to the other's place every other year. Why not provide the visiting fans with a GREAT place to hold a GREAT Tailgate Event and be treated reciprocally by the other schools in the SoCon? With the attendance % of capacity I see at every school (ironically, except Mercer), I would think anything a school could do to draw additional fans to their games would be a top priority. Regardless of the colors they wear into the games, all of their money is GREEN...and Marshall has long-ago left the SoCon...thankfully! Thanks for calling that out 95 - gave me an oppty to vent and to call attention to an opportunity that (almost) all of the SoCon schools are missing! I cannot really think of a bad spot to tailgate at Furman.
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Post by chez23 on Oct 16, 2015 10:38:00 GMT -5
Back on topic.... I agree that MU is on the right path, however, losing tough games on a consistent basis does begin to add that stigma to a progeam that it cant win a big game. There is enough expereince now on the roster to put that to rest... but they are 0-2 so far so lets see how it goes. ETSU wont be a close game ( it shoudnt be) so this week isnt a measuring stick....expect a MU blowout, as it should be for a MU program "on the rise"
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 16, 2015 11:40:17 GMT -5
Back off topic....here are the locations that Mercer has and Furman is providing for visiting fans to hold their Tailgate Events... Both have plenty of room for a large Tailgate Group; both are very near the stadium; and both have very nearby, accessible, non-reserved parking. If FU and Mercer can do this, why can't other SoCon Schools? And I don't want to hear about their huge crowds - most SoCon stadiums are 50% of capacity these days. The only reason the other SoCon schools don't/won't do this is because they don't want to. But you can bet your last $ that they'll all be holding their Tailgates when they visit Furman and Mercer in these great locations. I am very proud to be affiliated with both (and the only 2) of the SoCon Schools that are being smart about this. It's a shame the others have their collective heads in the sand...or somewhere else dark and damp!
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Post by bear38 on Oct 16, 2015 15:06:00 GMT -5
Back off topic....here are the locations that Mercer has and Furman is providing for visiting fans to hold their Tailgate Events... Both have plenty of room for a large Tailgate Group; both are very near the stadium; and both have very nearby, accessible, non-reserved parking. If FU and Mercer can do this, why can't other SoCon Schools? And I don't want to hear about their huge crowds - most SoCon stadiums are 50% of capacity these days. The only reason the other SoCon schools don't/won't do this is because they don't want to. But you can bet your last $ that they'll all be holding their Tailgates when they visit Furman and Mercer in these great locations. I am very proud to be affiliated with both (and the only 2) of the SoCon Schools that are being smart about this. It's a shame the others have their collective heads in the sand...or somewhere else dark and damp! That picture is kinda old. About 4 years.
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 16, 2015 16:31:17 GMT -5
Back off topic....here are the locations that Mercer has and Furman is providing for visiting fans to hold their Tailgate Events... Both have plenty of room for a large Tailgate Group; both are very near the stadium; and both have very nearby, accessible, non-reserved parking. If FU and Mercer can do this, why can't other SoCon Schools? And I don't want to hear about their huge crowds - most SoCon stadiums are 50% of capacity these days. The only reason the other SoCon schools don't/won't do this is because they don't want to. But you can bet your last $ that they'll all be holding their Tailgates when they visit Furman and Mercer in these great locations. I am very proud to be affiliated with both (and the only 2) of the SoCon Schools that are being smart about this. It's a shame the others have their collective heads in the sand...or somewhere else dark and damp! That picture is kinda old. About 4 years. support.google.com/maps/topic/3311561?hl=en&ref_topic=3093612&vid=1-635806278318684569-1150960936
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