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Post by jackal on Nov 1, 2017 9:28:37 GMT -5
FUBAR posted this on Sept 25th. It was a ranking after week 4. Funny how Wofford is 5-1 in conference ( 7-1 overall) and all their conference games have been very close...but they know how to get the W's in tight games...... supporting my case even more about MU struggles in tight games. W Sat, Sep 2 vs FurmanW 23 - 24 W Sat, Sep 9 @mercerw 28 - 27 W Sat, Sep 23 vs Gardner-WebbW 24 - 27 W Sat, Sep 30 @ Presbyterian W 31 - 7 W Sat, Oct 7 vs WCU W 28 - 35 Final/OT W Sat, Oct 14 @ Citadel W 20 - 16 L Sat, Oct 21 vs SamfordL 24 - 21 W Sat, Oct 28 @ East TN St W 31 - 24 It is not compelling to support an argument based upon an arbitrary rankings using undisclosed sources. There is literally no difference between that ranking and me just posting one with numbers I made up. Look at it this way, maybe Mercer really isn't that talented and the coaching staff is the only thing keeping them hovering around .500. Really talented teams don't lose to ETSU, do they? Really talented teams don't finish in the bottom half of the conference, right? Maybe the coaching staff is getting the most out of a rag tag bunch playing over their heads. I am not saying that is the case. I do think the completely contradictory case is just as supported as your argument, though.
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 1, 2017 10:09:27 GMT -5
You keep talking about things supporting your case, but all you are doing is pointing out scores and a College Sports Madness ranking (that's the source of that "poll") that FUBeAR posted (I think) to be funny, because that poll is bogus. At the time that poll came out, Wofford was #10 or better in every major accepted poll system anyone looks at, STATS, Coaches, etc.
To Jackal's point, it could easily be the case that Mercer has had no business even being close in games, but are an the coaches have coached their tail off. Further more, I could look at all those Wofford wins you posted and make this argument. "Wofford is more talented than any other team in the conference. The fact that they are even in close games proves that their coaches should all be replaced. They should be winning by 30."
By the same margin, should I suggest that, because it was 17-10 with 7 minutes left in the Mercer - Auburn game and Mercer had the ball, that our coaches should be fired because we didn't beat Auburn? We lost 24-10. Was that a close late game failure by the coaching staff?
Point being, you've been saying this for what feels like 2 years and there really isn't a whole lot of substance to why you keep going back to wanting to get the coaches replaced. I'm just tired of talking about it. Have whatever opinion you like. I just personally don't agree with your opinion nor how you go about supporting it.
This is my opinion. For a start up program that just came back 5 years ago, and entered one of the more competitive conferences in all of FCS football, we have been more successful more quickly that anyone would have projected. We have recruited well. We have been more than respectable in FBS games (35-10 loss to Ga Tech and a 24-10 loss to Auburn), we have increased our conference win total every year, and (I think) have gone from, in the eyes of other school in our conference) gone from a brand new football team to a school that is legitimately competitive in the conference. That's all I got.
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Post by chez23 on Nov 1, 2017 10:28:15 GMT -5
great work shifting to now the players aren't good and coaches are coaching great. No sense going on with this thread when you have people talking out of both sides of their mouths. END.
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 1, 2017 10:50:41 GMT -5
Lol. Nobody said that. Do you read? I think we were both just pointing out that the methodology by which you reached your conclusion could just as easily be used to reach a completely different conclusion. No one is suggesting that the players are bad or that the coaching is great. You are the one who the whole way has been trying to quantify why the coaches are bad/need to be replaced. My issue is how and why you are reaching that conclusion. What you seem to fail to understand about the last two posts is we are using these examples to attack your method, not your conclusion.
The fact that this pissed you off kinda proves my point. I think the players are good and the coaches are good. Don't represent a position I've never advanced.
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Post by jackal on Nov 1, 2017 11:08:44 GMT -5
Lol. Nobody said that. Do you read? I think we were both just pointing out that the methodology by which you reached your conclusion could just as easily be used to reach a completely different conclusion. No one is suggesting that the players are bad or that the coaching is great. You are the one who the whole way has been trying to quantify why the coaches are bad/need to be replaced. My issue is how and why you are reaching that conclusion. What you seem to fail to understand about the last two posts is we are using these examples to attack your method, not your conclusion. The fact that this pissed you off kinda proves my point. I think the players are good and the coaches are good. Don't represent a position I've never advanced. Technically, the methodolgy doesn't reach the conclusion. Chez started with a conclusion and crafted a methodology to support the conclusion already assumed. The way I see it, there are really two teams that legitimately lack the talent to compete for a SoCon football title, and that is VMI and ETSU, and ETSU isn't that far away. When you have that much parity, the conference title is going to come down to literally a handful of plays over the course of the season. I don't think there is some sort of juju hex over Mercer's coaching staff based upon losing a couple close football games. You win some, you lose some.
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