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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 9, 2017 23:08:44 GMT -5
Chatt’s starting Right Offensive Tackle, #77 Taylor Helton was (apparently) charged with 2 back-to-back Unsportsmanlike Conduct Penalties (1st was called after a play was dead & the 2nd was called during, or shortly after, the next play & a Furman Player, in the 2nd instance, was also called for Unsportsmanlike Conduct, offsetting the penalty called on Mr. Helton) late in the 4th quarter of Chattanooga’s game last week against Furman.
My understanding is that 2 Unsportsmanlike Penalties in a game result in an Automatic Ejection. Initially, the Referee (White Hat) who had called both penalties on Mr. Helton, did not appear to eject him as I would have expected. But then the Referee started talking to Mr. Helton (on an open mic) in what I perceived to be a bit of a scolding tone before he turned down his mic. At that point, Helton left his position (he was on the line; prepared to run the next play) & went to the sidelines. The Referee made no Ejection Announcement (that I heard) nor signaled an Ejection (that I saw). I don’t believe Mr. Helton returned to the game, but he did not leave the sidelines for the locker room (as I believe is required), nor even remove his helmet.
1) Was Mr. Helton officially ejected from Chattanooga’s game against Furman?
2) If Mr. Helton was ejected, doesn’t he also have to sit out Chattanooga’s next game against Mercer, as I believe that is a SoCon rule.
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 9, 2017 23:24:26 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure based on the SoCon rules, if the player was disqualified, the next game would be a suspension.
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 10, 2017 0:53:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure based on the SoCon rules, if the player was disqualified, the next game would be a suspension. OK - that answers #2 What about #1? Was he actually, officially ejected? The announcers said that he was, by virtue of the 2 Unsportsmanlike Conduct Penalties. But they also said Stanford Jennings was a great WIDE RECEIVER for Furman. Stan was POY in the SoCon 3 years in a row and played 10 years in the NFL...ALL as a RUNNING BACK. So, I don’t think we can trust their info. |
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 10, 2017 9:12:26 GMT -5
I don't know. I haven't had a chance to watch the game yet. Hopefully there are people other than us asking those questions.
Then again, I watched a bunch of SoCon refs take off a targeting call AND the 15 yard penalty after a review (which you aren't supposed to do, only the targeting is reviewable) at a game at our place. So who really knows what they did. Could be the refs got together and took off one of the unsportsmanlikes? IDK...
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 10, 2017 10:48:58 GMT -5
I don't know. Hopefully there are people other than us asking those questions. I hope so too. I honestly hate it for the young man, as both calls were ticky-tack. The 1st one he was just mouthing off at a Furman Player who appeared to celebrate after hitting their RB, who seemed to be injured on the Play. I don't think the FU Player realized he was injured - he was a reserve - maybe his 1st college tackle - celebrating a big hit....but OLmen tend to be the protective type. The 2nd one would have never been called if it weren't for the 1st...just some post throw light touches between him and an FU D-Lineman after the ball was gone...nothing worth flagging, at all. BUT...RULES IS RULES....and both calls were flagged and CLEARLY STATED as "UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT #77" I know Mercer once had an outstanding O-Lineman get back-to-back UC calls up there for ticky-tack stuff. Looks like it was a different White Hat this time though. But that Mercer O-Lineman was ejected by rule. It was quite publicly announced that he was being ejected. He had to leave the sideline area and finished the game in the locker room. Following that, he served a 1 game SoCon suspension and then a 2nd game suspension that Mercer elects to add to any Student-Athlete who is suspended for such reasons. Fair is Fair....I already saw some differences in the way his (possible) ejection was handled and I just want to make sure the SoCon is handling things consistently...just like they've done with replay (NOT!) Did anyone see the pick (NOT) that ended the WCU @ Woffy game in OT. The ball clearly hit the ground before it was possessed by the DB, despite the Woffy announcing crew saying the call would have been confirmed on review. No...it would NOT. I don't know if the Catamounts would have won or not...but I did hear that Woffy is fully capable of supporting replay, just as CIT and Mercer are, but they have chosen not to implement it until required. Starting to seem like they have made the right decision. ...but I digress... |
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Post by wcugrad95 on Oct 10, 2017 15:23:22 GMT -5
I'll avoid chiming in on the WCU call - I have done enough of that on multiple other boards and this is Mercer's board....
Your questions are very valid. My understanding is that you are supposed to be ejected/escorted from the sideline after 2 unsportsmanlike conducts, confirmed targeting, etc. I haven't watched that game, but if that was not publicly announced and the player was not escorted from the field it would make me think they somehow either forgot or they somehow, someway didn't count one of the infractions against him. Honestly, I don't know which one of those excuses would be worse. I am pretty sure it doesn't matter if one of the fouls was in an offsetting manner - the rule is 2 infractions and you get the boot. And when you get the boot the league imposes the suspension for the next game.
Long-winded way of saying don't be surprised if the guy is on the field. If he wasn't ejected and escorted, its almost like it didn't happen (dripping with sarcasm).
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 12, 2017 5:59:48 GMT -5
Watched the broadcast again last night...a couple of corrections...
1) it was actually the umpire who called the 1st UC
2) the 2nd penalty was announced as offsetting “Personal Fouls”
I guess, maybe, there is a non-specific “personal foul” that doesn’t rise to the level of a UC penalty.
Not sure why the white hat “called out” 77 after the 2nd foul, which seemed to result in him leaving the playing field (only).
Are SoCon Refs issuing “time-outs” to misbehaving Players now?
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Post by jackal on Oct 12, 2017 8:46:10 GMT -5
Watched the broadcast again last night...a couple of corrections... 1) it was actually the umpire who called the 1st UC 2) the 2nd penalty was announced as offsetting “Personal Fouls” I guess, maybe, there is a non-specific “personal foul” that doesn’t rise to the level of a UC penalty. Not sure why the white hat “called out” 77 after the 2nd foul, which seemed to result in him leaving the playing field (only). Are SoCon Refs issuing “time-outs” to misbehaving Players now? I was flagged for "playing too rough" once in a game at Wesleyan High School. Refs exact words. Never was put in timeout for misbehavior, though. |
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