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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 14, 2019 6:10:50 GMT -5
jackal - " I don't see Mercer taking JuCos with regularity. They do not usually fit the university profile. Once you start down the road of filling holes with transfers, it becomes a constant need. While teams take transfers, I do not think they necessarily take a lot of JuCos. Notably, I do not think that either Wofford nor Furman - the SoCon's top two teams - have any JuCos on roster." I am not advocating regularity or alot; and I clearly stated 'smart kids'. Wofford nor Furman need to take JuCos at this time... as you stated They are Winning !!! As a matter of fact , I know that other sports programs at Mercer take JuCo transfers when they meet the academic profile. You seem to advocate doing nothing, that's a sure way for Nothing to Change; thanks for your help ! I don't advocate for doing nothing. If you want to get better, recruit better, coach better, develop better. Recruiting. Coaching. Development. + Retain
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Post by BearUp on Nov 14, 2019 11:55:55 GMT -5
furmanpaladins.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/george-quarles/332Bear faithful, Please read about G. Quarles... he didn't join the College Coaching ranks until 2016 when he went to Furman. I don't know if he's the right guy for Mercer or not, but I have a real problem discussing fodder vs facts ! I also would like to be told how a kid with a 3.6 gpa graduating from Mercer in baseball and our current All Conference OT Sanders #67 who has graduated and working on his Masters degree support any of these JuCo or college transfer negative sentiments expressed by others. For the record, I am talking about good kids who fit the Mercer profile with proven experience at the college level ! (Sanders transferred from a small college in Miss.) Life dictates many decisions at a given point in time; let's open our minds and consider all win/win situations for our Mercer Bears ! We don't have another 4 years to wait to fix all our problems internally ... there will be no one at the games except parents !
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 14, 2019 14:11:22 GMT -5
furmanpaladins.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/george-quarles/332Bear faithful, Please read about G. Quarles... he didn't join the College Coaching ranks until 2016 when he went to Furman. I don't know if he's the right guy for Mercer or not, but I have a real problem discussing fodder vs facts ! I also would like to be told how a kid with a 3.6 gpa graduating from Mercer in baseball and our current All Conference OT Sanders #67 who has graduated and working on his Masters degree support any of these JuCo or college transfer negative sentiments expressed by others. For the record, I am talking about good kids who fit the Mercer profile with proven experience at the college level ! (Sanders transferred from a small college in Miss.) Life dictates many decisions at a given point in time; let's open our minds and consider all win/win situations for our Mercer Bears ! We don't have another 4 years to wait to fix all our problems internally ... there will be no one at the games except parents ! Wait, are you suggesting Quarles isn't a good candidate because he's only been coaching in college since 2016? As far as transfers, Sanders went to Mississippi Valley State, an FCS school. JUCO, Junior College, is a completely different animal. I think everyone is OK with the idea of transfers, I think we are saying there are specifically disadvantages to JUCO transfers, as opposed to transfers from other 4 years FCS or FBS schools, or academy prep, for example.
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Post by BearUp on Nov 14, 2019 17:57:59 GMT -5
No sir, I think G Quarles is a great candidate; I was responding to the post that claimed he would not be interested in Mercer because of his previous offers to be a Head Coach! We are in agreement that he has a very good record...
As far as JuCo's are concerned we can agree to disagree. You have not stated one reason why a kid who fits the Mercer profile could not be a positive addition to our team. I don't understand your thought process when other sports at Mercer have had success with these kids. I respect everyone's opinion, but additional facts to support your argument could enlighten us all. Please tell us why you put all JuCo kids in the same basket ?
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Post by jackal on Nov 14, 2019 19:51:16 GMT -5
No sir, I think G Quarles is a great candidate; I was responding to the post that claimed he would not be interested in Mercer because of his previous offers to be a Head Coach! We are in agreement that he has a very good record... As far as JuCo's are concerned we can agree to disagree. You have not stated one reason why a kid who fits the Mercer profile could not be a positive addition to our team. I don't understand your thought process when other sports at Mercer have had success with these kids. I respect everyone's opinion, but additional facts to support your argument could enlighten us all. Please tell us why you put all JuCo kids in the same basket ? I'm not putting any players in the same basket. I said that you don't have to have JuCos to win now and the two academics-first institutions currently leading the conference don't take JuCos. JuCos are not the same as those players transferring from 4 year colleges. Maybe George Quarles is Mercer's next head coach. I personally don't think he will be, but what do I know?
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 15, 2019 12:09:07 GMT -5
No sir, I think G Quarles is a great candidate; I was responding to the post that claimed he would not be interested in Mercer because of his previous offers to be a Head Coach! We are in agreement that he has a very good record... As far as JuCo's are concerned we can agree to disagree. You have not stated one reason why a kid who fits the Mercer profile could not be a positive addition to our team. I don't understand your thought process when other sports at Mercer have had success with these kids. I respect everyone's opinion, but additional facts to support your argument could enlighten us all. Please tell us why you put all JuCo kids in the same basket ? Since we are speaking in generalities, most kids end up at JUCO's in the first place because there is baggage. Usually academic or discipline issues. For the most part, good players who qualify academically and haven't had disciplinary issues go to a 4 year school. So, again, generally, a JUCO player is much more risky. Secondly, I doubt there are very few, if any, JUCO schools in the United States at are comparable to the Mercer/Furman/Wofford/Samfords of the world academically. So, there are coming into a MUCH more rigorous environment, which, again, is extremely risky. An academically ineligible player is good to no one. And, before you compare this to baseball, that sport is completely different, as there is a long culture of baseball players choosing JUCO because of reputation (San Jacinto for example) and also the draft/pro/minor league system in baseball make it a totally different proposition. Junior college baseball players can be draft eligible after every year of JUCO. A 4 year college signee has to wait until after their 3rd year before they can enter the draft. Also now, with academic progress requirements of schools, JUCO gets even more risky. JUCO players graduation rate is about 55%. It's 68% for all Div 1 football. So, again, more risk. So, given that all school and coaching staffs have limited resources (you can't evaluate and recruit every single potential player) it a lot more "needle in a haystack" looking at JUCO, with a lot more risk. So if you have finite time, it makes more sense to spend more time looking at true freshmen and transfers from 4 years programs. All the numbers say the likelihood of those kids being more successful as well as graduating are much higher.
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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 15, 2019 19:08:29 GMT -5
No sir, I think G Quarles is a great candidate; I was responding to the post that claimed he would not be interested in Mercer because of his previous offers to be a Head Coach! We are in agreement that he has a very good record... As far as JuCo's are concerned we can agree to disagree. You have not stated one reason why a kid who fits the Mercer profile could not be a positive addition to our team. I don't understand your thought process when other sports at Mercer have had success with these kids. I respect everyone's opinion, but additional facts to support your argument could enlighten us all. Please tell us why you put all JuCo kids in the same basket ? Since we are speaking in generalities, most kids end up at JUCO's in the first place because there is baggage. Usually academic or discipline issues. For the most part, good players who qualify academically and haven't had disciplinary issues go to a 4 year school. So, again, generally, a JUCO player is much more risky. Secondly, I doubt there are very few, if any, JUCO schools in the United States at are comparable to the Mercer/Furman/Wofford/Samfords of the world academically. So, there are coming into a MUCH more rigorous environment, which, again, is extremely risky. An academically ineligible player is good to no one. And, before you compare this to baseball, that sport is completely different, as there is a long culture of baseball players choosing JUCO because of reputation (San Jacinto for example) and also the draft/pro/minor league system in baseball make it a totally different proposition. Junior college baseball players can be draft eligible after every year of JUCO. A 4 year college signee has to wait until after their 3rd year before they can enter the draft. Also now, with academic progress requirements of schools, JUCO gets even more risky. JUCO players graduation rate is about 55%. It's 68% for all Div 1 football. So, again, more risk. So, given that all school and coaching staffs have limited resources (you can't evaluate and recruit every single potential player) it a lot more "needle in a haystack" looking at JUCO, with a lot more risk. So if you have finite time, it makes more sense to spend more time looking at true freshmen and transfers from 4 years programs. All the numbers say the likelihood of those kids being more successful as well as graduating are much higher. That’s what FUBeAR was gonna say...but not nearly as well.
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Post by smokeybear on Nov 16, 2019 18:33:30 GMT -5
With the ETSU loss I think it is time to move in a different direction.
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 16, 2019 21:11:39 GMT -5
With the ETSU loss I think it is time to move in a different direction. I think that's prolly where everyone was before the ETSU game. Lol
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Post by jackal on Nov 18, 2019 7:49:34 GMT -5
Not that the situations are the same, but I believe Lamb technically announced his resignation from Furman the day before the final game of the 2010 season. If it is in fact the last year of the contract and Mercer has made the decision to move on, I imagine you could hear news of that as soon as this week.
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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 18, 2019 8:01:04 GMT -5
Not that the situations are the same, but I believe Lamb technically announced his resignation from Furman the day before the final game of the 2010 season. If it is in fact the last year of the contract and Mercer has made the decision to move on, I imagine you could hear news of that as soon as this week. Nah - different situation. Last game @ FU was a Home game & Coach Lamb was/is a Paladin legend, enshrined in the FU Athletics Hall of Fame, and with almost 30 years (1982 - 2010) of continuous service as a Player, Assistant Coach, and Head Coach. I believe he was ‘offered’ the opportunity to depart in a somewhat of a tribute to his service in his final game as Head Coach. Not sure how that was received, but it did make some sense. Mercer is on the road at Chapel Hill. Unless FUBeAR’s tea leaves are sullied, there will be no news this week, other than that related to the game with UNC.
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Post by Bart on Nov 23, 2019 17:27:47 GMT -5
An above poster is correct. Furman was going to make a change and they were kind enough to give Bobby a choice in how it went down. Oddly enough, Bobby's tenure at Furman in a way mirrors the experience at Mercer. Started off pretty well, and there was lots of promise for their continued success as Furman was a power in 1AA when he took the reigns. Then things started to slide a bit. Some cited some untimely injuries to key players, but nonetheless, things slid into mediocrity. The base of Furmans financial fan base is/was, as far as athletics is concerned, were quickly advancing in age and wanted Furman to get back to their previous elite status. They made the wrong choice with Fowler, but then hired the guy they probably should have hired all along in Clay Hendrix. Mercer is in sort of the same position. A ton of money was raised to get the program off the ground, and to pay for first class facilities. A sudden invite into the SoCon was an unexpected raising of the bar in competition level, but that should have been accounted for by this point. And even though the academics are a higher bar than most schools, Mercer does sit right in the middle of one of the most fruitful states for recruiting in the country. Pretty sure, that like happened at Furman, the donors are wanting to see a return on their investment.
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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 23, 2019 20:47:39 GMT -5
An above poster is correct. Furman was going to make a change and they were kind enough to give Bobby a choice in how it went down. Oddly enough, Bobby's tenure at Furman in a way mirrors the experience at Mercer. Started off pretty well, and there was lots of promise for their continued success as Furman was a power in 1AA when he took the reigns. Then things started to slide a bit. Some cited some untimely injuries to key players, but nonetheless, things slid into mediocrity. The base of Furmans financial fan base is/was, as far as athletics is concerned, were quickly advancing in age and wanted Furman to get back to their previous elite status. They made the wrong choice with Fowler, but then hired the guy they probably should have hired all along in Clay Hendrix. Mercer is in sort of the same position. A ton of money was raised to get the program off the ground, and to pay for first class facilities. A sudden invite into the SoCon was an unexpected raising of the bar in competition level, but that should have been accounted for by this point. And even though the academics are a higher bar than most schools, Mercer does sit right in the middle of one of the most fruitful states for recruiting in the country. Pretty sure, that like happened at Furman, the donors are wanting to see a return on their investment. Thanks for posting, Bart. Just want any readers to know this post by “Bart” was not made by FUBeAR (an online persona) nor by any actual real personas affiliated with FUBeAR...just in case there might be any confusion for any reason.
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