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Post by Clueless Fan on Sept 24, 2021 11:57:16 GMT -5
It looks like Belmont is leaving the OVC to join the MVC.
I had hoped the Bruins would be invited to join the SoCon, but MVC is a good move for them. Maybe Wichita State goes back now that the AAC is no longer the conference they joined.
I had no idea Austin Peay and Jacksonville State were in the OVC, but they are leaving too.
Any ramifications for the SoCon? Would UTC or ETSU look to move? I doubt it, but maybe they would see that as appealing for the instate opponents. Obviously, SoCon is better than OVC.
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Post by smokeybear on Sept 24, 2021 19:13:24 GMT -5
I am reading Murray State is likely going to the MVC too. Tenn State may move to SWAC.
Tennessee Tech would likely want to move to SoCon. Would SoCon want them? Historically horrible at football and basketball. Good facilities and good size. Academics better than UTC and ETSU, but not great
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Post by mumd on Sept 24, 2021 20:16:50 GMT -5
Does the SoCon need any more members?
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Post by tjhook on Sept 25, 2021 3:46:14 GMT -5
Tenn Tech looks like a candidate for the Atlantic Sun
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Post by Clueless Fan on Oct 21, 2021 9:47:53 GMT -5
A lot of speculation that JMU is leaving the CAA for the CUSA or SBC. What will be the impact on the CAA? Will they look to add? Would any SoCon schools be interested in moving to the CAA? Would any CAA teams look to move to the SoCon?
I would love to have W&M and Elon for all sports and Richmond for football. Maybe CoC and UNCW for all sports (no football).
Would ETSU or UTC have any interest in moving to the CAA? Not likely now that JMU is gone.
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 21, 2021 11:06:18 GMT -5
A lot of speculation that JMU is leaving the CAA for the CUSA or SBC. What will be the impact on the CAA? Will they look to add? Would any SoCon schools be interested in moving to the CAA? Would any CAA teams look to move to the SoCon? I would love to have W&M and Elon for all sports and Richmond for football. Maybe CoC and UNCW for all sports (no football). Would ETSU or UTC have any interest in moving to the CAA? Not likely now that JMU is gone. Agree that Richmond (Private) & W&M (Public) would be great adds for SoCon. No interest from FUBeAR in the vagabonds from E*Loan or CofChuckTown. We already tried that & it was a yucky dish. UNC by the Sea would be fine for non-Football sports & would give UNC-G a co-conspirator (so to speak), but FUBeAR would not be interested in adding any Non-Football schools into SoCon. In fact, maybe UNC-G could move to CAA as 1 replacement for JMU…and, maybe Richmond, W&M. Richmond is tricky because they are in the A10 for Hoops. The A10 once was considered much better (more likely to get multiple NCAA Tourney bids than the SoCon), but SoCon is now RPI ranked #9 and A10 is #13…so they might be willing to jump & get both ‘major’ sports in the same Conference. SoCon should consider making a ‘play’ for Delaware (if they don’t join FBS along with JMU) also, but doubt they would move to SoCon if they stay FCS. |
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Post by smokeybear on Oct 21, 2021 20:52:34 GMT -5
Did you mean that SoCon basketball has lately been higher ranked than the CAA? Certainly not the A10.
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 21, 2021 22:33:33 GMT -5
Did you mean that SoCon basketball has lately been higher ranked than the CAA? Certainly not the A10.
Rank | Conference | RPI | NC Rec | NC WP1. Big 12 0.5669 60-16 0.7895 2. Big Ten 0.5484 67-14 0.8272 3. Pac-12 0.5462 52-19 0.7324 4. SEC 0.5457 73-27 0.7300 5. West Coast 0.5435 50-25 0.6667 6. Big East 0.5357 42-15 0.7368 7. American Athletic 0.5313 36-14 0.7200 8. ACC 0.5311 62-23 0.7294 9. Southern 0.5137 34-23 0.596510. Mountain West 0.5042 27-17 0.6136 11. Missouri Valley 0.5022 28-24 0.5385 12. Conference USA 0.4998 49-37 0.5698 13. Atlantic 10 0.4996 42-33 0.560014. Patriot League 0.4946 6-2 0.7500 15. Sun Belt 0.4919 30-34 0.4688 16. MAAC 0.4914 11-16 0.4074 17. Northeast 0.4799 6-18 0.2500 18. Mid-American 0.4785 21-2 0.4375 19. Colonial Athletic 0.4760 24-34 0.4138
20. Big West 0.4733 15-23 0.3947 21. Horizon League 0.4715 12-26 0.3158 22. Ohio Valley 0.4689 22-35 0.3860 23. America East 0.4661 10-19 0.3448 24. Big Sky 0.4624 9-32 0.2195 25. Big South 0.4524 12-37 0.2449 26. Atlantic Sun 0.4513 17-34 0.3333KEY: NC Rec: Non-Conference Record | NC WP: Non-Conference Win Percent |
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Post by MUfan on Oct 21, 2021 22:54:48 GMT -5
Any chance that Stetson or Jacksonville might make a move to the SoCon?
A presence in FL wouldn’t be a bad thing.
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Post by Clueless Fan on Oct 22, 2021 7:44:57 GMT -5
No question that the SoCon is moving up as other conference (USA and CAA) have dropped. And that is one reason I think the SoCon would be appealing to some of the CAA schools now. But I highly doubt Richmond or Davidson would leave the A-10 for the SoCon for all sports.
Other than the Warren Nolan RPI ranking, I couldn't find any other 2020-21 ranking where the SoCon was ranked higher than the A-10. Granted, the A-10 has some bad teams, but their good teams are generally much better than the SoCon's best teams. Two years ago, Dayton was ranked #4 before the tournament was cancelled. Last year, two A-10 teams were in the tournament with three more on the bubble. They have averaged three teams over the last seven years.
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Post by Clueless Fan on Oct 22, 2021 7:45:36 GMT -5
Any chance that Stetson or Jacksonville might make a move to the SoCon? A presence in FL wouldn’t be a bad thing. I hope not |
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 22, 2021 8:21:09 GMT -5
No question that the SoCon is moving up as other conference (USA and CAA) have dropped. And that is one reason I think the SoCon would be appealing to some of the CAA schools now. But I highly doubt Richmond or Davidson would leave the A-10 for the SoCon for all sports. Other than the Warren Nolan RPI ranking, I couldn't find any other 2020-21 ranking where the SoCon was ranked higher than the A-10. Granted, the A-10 has some bad teams, but their good teams are generally much better than the SoCon's best teams. Two years ago, Dayton was ranked #4 before the tournament was cancelled. Last year, two A-10 teams were in the tournament with three more on the bubble. They have averaged three teams over the last seven years. FUBeAR doesn’t really do Hoops to any depth…but I believe the Tournament Selection Committee uses the NET Rankings as part of their process… NET - Conference RankingsRank | Conference | NC Rec | NC WP1. Big Ten 1 67 - 14 0.8272 2. SEC 2 73 - 27 0.7300 3. Big 12 3 60 - 16 0.7895 4. Big East 4 42 - 15 0.7368 5. ACC 5 62 - 23 0.7294 6. Pac-12 6 52 - 19 0.7324 7. American Athletic 7 36 - 14 0.7200 8. West Coast 8 50 - 25 0.6667 9. Atlantic 10 9 42 - 33 0.5600
10. Southern 10 34 - 23 0.5965 11. Missouri Valley 11 28 - 24 0.5385 12. Mountain West 12 27 - 17 0.6136 13. Patriot League 13 6 - 2 0.7500 14. Conference USA 14 49 - 37 0.5698 15. Mid-American 15 21 - 27 0.4375 16. Colonial Athletic 16 24 - 34 0.4138 17. Big West 17 15 - 23 0.3947 18. Sun Belt 18 30 - 34 0.4688 19. America East 19 10 - 19 0.3448 20. MAAC 20 11 - 16 0.4074 21. Northeast 21 6 - 18 0.2500 22. Big Sky 22 9 - 32 0.2195 23. Horizon League 23 12 - 26 0.3158 24. Ohio Valley 24 22 - 35 0.3860 25. The Summit League 25 12 - 52 0.1875 26. Western Athletic 26 14 - 37 0.2745 27. Big South 27 12 - 37 0.2449 28. Atlantic Sun 28 17 - 34 0.3333
So…A10 & SoCon neck-&-neck in Hoops & SoCon having Football & most other Sports…get ‘em all under one umbrella…build rivalries in multiple sports….and 0 trips to Maine, New Hampshire, etc. ALSO - FU’s relatively new AD, Jason Donnelly, is a great guy & came from Villanova. Definitely a STRONG Hoops guy (but truly backs Football also)…He does a monthly video with FU’s media guy on the Furman Paladins YouTube channel & answers Fans questions (from the FU message board)…and he doesn’t shy away from any questions & his answers are only somewhat tempered with Coach/Ath Admin-speak. Much recent talk about the rise of SoCon Hoops & the commitments the SoCon & the AD’s from Conf. Schools are making to it. Might be worth listening to some of them. Not ‘pimping’ them - just feel like there might be some good knowledge there for the peeps reading this thread. |
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Post by mumd on Oct 23, 2021 17:26:17 GMT -5
When the Elon snobs left the SoCon they actually said it was to be in a conference with schools more demographically alike in areas where they recruit their (non-athlete) undergrads. In other words they felt they were better than the rest of us. And they almost came right out and said it. I think there would be ZERO interest from SoCon schools of bringing them back.
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Post by smokeybear on Oct 25, 2021 20:44:27 GMT -5
I don't see Elon's stated reason as being insulting to the SoCon. If they do get a large portion of their students from those areas or its alumni live there, how is that saying anything negative about SoCon schools?
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 25, 2021 21:20:54 GMT -5
I don't see Elon's stated reason as being insulting to the SoCon. If they do get a large portion of their students from those areas or its alumni live there, how is that saying anything negative about SoCon schools? During this journey (below) through 3 Conferences in 13 years, the peeps from Elon stepped on a lot of toes & peeved off a lot of people. My sources have indicated that Elon always approached Conference issues from the perspective of, “Well, we’re too good to be in this conference anyway & we won’t be here long, so you guys just fix everything the way we want & we’ll let you know if we’re satisfied…but we’re pretty sure we won’t be.” Y’know the Athletics version of “Social Climbers.” Actually, “New Money Social Climbers” might be a bit more apt. In 1997, Elon began the transition into NCAA Division I, becoming a full member in 1999. Division I membership meant a new conference and Elon joined the Big South Conference.
Still known as the Fightin' Christians at the time, many did not feel that the nickname was universal enough for a team making the transition to Division I athletics. In 2000, Elon College officially changed its mascot to the Phoenix.
At the beginning of the 2001–02 season, the school was renamed Elon University. Change was not far behind in athletics as the Phoenix became members of the Southern Conference beginning in 2003.
The school completed an 11-season tenure in the Southern Conference in 2013–14; it moved to the Colonial Athletic Association on July 1, 2014.
If they want to leave the CAA, I’m sure the Patriot League would be a good place for them to land - y’know…hob-nobbin’ with a bunch of ‘Ivy League wannabe’ schools would be perfect for the Formerly Fightin’ Former Christians. |
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