Ghost
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Post by Ghost on Nov 16, 2014 19:07:27 GMT -5
I for one didn't get warm fuzzies from the TD celebration. Came off a little classless at least IMO. we clearly where beating the breaks off an outmatched team. It was funny and I'm sure the press we are getting is good and all but I still didn't like it. Thoughts?
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Post by MUfan on Nov 16, 2014 19:17:50 GMT -5
I'm old school and don't believe in the sack dances , first down signals or touchdown dances that are creeping into college football. That being said, I liked the celebration. Didn't seemed to be taunting Warner at all.
Hopefully, we can do something similar when we beat some of the Socon teams next season.
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 16, 2014 19:46:26 GMT -5
I thought it was great. But, I say that about every level of football. I despise all these celebration rules they've put in place. It's a game. It fun. It's supposed to be fun.
Then again, I also don't believe that things like running up the score are disrespectful either. Every coach I had, through college, always told me O's job is to score, d's job is to stop them. To me it's more insulting if teams lay down or start doing you favors because they are beating your brains in.
All that being said, I think it also matters that it was a LT scoring a TD with his linemates. It literally never happens. Let the hogmollies have some fun.
And, I don't care what anyone says, showing up on ESPN and just about every major sports publication and Twitter is amazing. And great for everything. Scool recognition, recruits, whatever.
Again, I thought it was hilarious and fantastic. Fat Guy Touchdowns are the best.
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MU22
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Post by MU22 on Nov 17, 2014 23:04:52 GMT -5
Don't care for it. It is exactly the type of thing that the league officials will take away any benefit of doubt in the future, and we've already had a full season's worth of penalties from playing past the edge with personal fouls and the like. The last thing we need is more of a reason for the league officials to pull the yellow flags. They probably miss Appalachian State who was notorious for doing somersaults and flips into the endzone after TD's, or dunking the ball over the goalposts.
I subscribe to the"act like you've been there before" approach, which admittedly doesn't apply here, but ultimately it isn't casting us in the best light.
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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 18, 2014 3:11:58 GMT -5
Yep - I think everyone is 'right' on this issue...if that's possible...Anyway...this pic sure is fun/funny...or not.
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 18, 2014 9:09:50 GMT -5
Yep - I think everyone is 'right' on this issue...if that's possible...Anyway...this pic sure is fun/funny...or not. You people are crazy. This is glorious!
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Ghost
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Post by Ghost on Nov 18, 2014 12:37:49 GMT -5
Apparently no one in athletics has an issue with this...
I dunno I'm thinking this is a little bit too much.
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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 18, 2014 13:43:40 GMT -5
Apparently no one in athletics has an issue with this... I dunno I'm thinking this is a little bit too much. You're right and so is BearDownMU. How can that be? Old School vs. New School, I think. The guy I played for in college would have probably taken away my scholarship for participating in this and he was a great Coach who I revere....didn't always see eye-to-eye, but that's because I was an 18-22 year old immature idiot at the time. Now, I'm a mature idiot and know that he was right, back then, 100% of the time when we didn't agree. On the other hand, Oregon and Maryland's uniforms are a bit too much. 900 football games on TV every week are a bit too much. Pink-outs for Breast Cancer Awareness are a bit too much (not the cause, of course, but the outlandish extent kids go to PINK UP). That people will pay $$$$$ for a kid's football jersey is a bit too much. It's everywhere we look. I understand this is different because of the penalty and perceived sportsmanship aspect, but The Citadel and other Academy teams have had to get special waivers to wear certain uniforms so they don't get penalized and the penalty-drawing aspect of the uniforms was, I believe, in all cases, patriotic and/or noble. On the sportsmanship 'thing,' that has changed too and it's in every sport - think of flopping in hoops & soccer (and Mercer @ Chattanooga Football, frankly) and all of the unwritten rules in baseball that are frequently 'broken.' Some football people think it's unsportsmanlike to execute a perfectly legal cut block. Who's right on that issue? Since this happened I have seen the GB Packers have a choreographed celebration on a punt return TD and a Colts OLman do something resembling a RhinoNaeNae upon scoring a TD. It's the world of sports we live in today....you and I and my college Coach may not like it....but 79,000 people on Instagram sure do. Recruiting, Corporate Marketing/Sponsorships, and Ticket Sales get a BIG W from this stuff. Sportsmanship prolly takes an L.
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 18, 2014 15:15:16 GMT -5
To me, like most things in life, what matters most is intent. Now, what makes that hard is how can one divine intent or the thought in someone's head? The answer is, we can't, but most reasonable people can use the eye test to figure it out. Unfortunately when it comes to penalties, it has to be black and white for referees and, correctly, this was flagged.
However, I've seen people call this classless, and that is where I think the subtleties arrive. By calling it classless, people are already making an assumption to state of mind, so I think it's OK to speak to what is perceived to be intent.
In the case of our Bears, does any reasonable person think that this was done to purposely disrespect or embarrass anyone from Warner? I personally think no way that was the case.
The other end of that spectrum is if a guy get a big hit on someone and stands over them and does the throat slash move. That's taunting and the intent there is completely directed at the other team.
Anyway, I just tend to be OK with stuff when people seem like they are just having fun and not being jerks.
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Post by jackal on Nov 18, 2014 16:26:38 GMT -5
To your point, while I do not think animus was directly intended, there is a level of disrespect that comes with these celebrations. This is just my opinion, but the mere fact someone is goofing off while on the field conveys a level of disrespect to your opponent. Almost as if to say "this is so easy, we are making a joke out of it."
During my athletic career I was always coached that when you step over the line you are all business. Does not matter the opponent or the score. Your opponent as well as the game deserve respect.
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badnewsbear
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Post by badnewsbear on Nov 19, 2014 10:35:02 GMT -5
I didn't know I was posting with a bunch of curmudgeons on here. Ya'll sound like my attorney friends that get offended by every little thing and use words like egregious, unnerved, and repulsed. A fat guy just did a cartwheel and that is freaking impressive. Maybe ya'll should go back in time and tell Kevin not to do the nae nae dance after we beat duke because we should act like we've been there before. Mercer is becoming known nationally for doing awesome things and then having awesome celebrations. This defines my undergraduate experience more than anything else could... work hard, accomplish good stuff, celebrate your accomplishments, repeat. Who doesn't want to be apart of that? What potential Mercer recruit watched that celebration and didn't smile and think, "I want to play in that environment and for that coach!"
Not to mention that it has been a long season for these players and whereas we see a 1-6 conference record as a sign of good things to come, they don't. Let the kids/ promote the kids having some fun when they can, and I suggest you start having some fun as well and stop sounding like Furman fans.
I'd do a cartwheel right now if I could.
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Post by jackal on Nov 19, 2014 11:31:56 GMT -5
I didn't know I was posting with a bunch of curmudgeons on here. Ya'll sound like my attorney friends that get offended by every little thing and use words like egregious, unnerved, and repulsed. A fat guy just did a cartwheel and that is freaking impressive. Maybe ya'll should go back in time and tell Kevin not to do the nae nae dance after we beat duke because we should act like we've been there before. Mercer is becoming known nationally for doing awesome things and then having awesome celebrations. This defines my undergraduate experience more than anything else could... work hard, accomplish good stuff, celebrate your accomplishments, repeat. Who doesn't want to be apart of that? What potential Mercer recruit watched that celebration and didn't smile and think, "I want to play in that environment and for that coach!" Not to mention that it has been a long season for these players and whereas we see a 1-6 conference record as a sign of good things to come, they don't. Let the kids/ promote the kids having some fun when they can, and I suggest you start having some fun as well and stop sounding like Furman fans. I'd do a cartwheel right now if I could. I'm not "offended." If Mercer wants to set up a goofy touchdown celebration against a team they are clubbing, fine. Their call. I see the celebration after the win against Duke as a wholly different thing. That was pure elation after a game against a national powerhouse. That game accomplished something. This stuff on Saturday was just goofing off against a team that was little competition to Mercer. Again, that's my opinion. As for fun, here is the Furman football team last year doing the "Nae Nae" six months before Mercer fans discovered the dance, with the student section, after winning a championship against their rival, Wofford. That was fun. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSU6M9_4nO8).
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badnewsbear
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Post by badnewsbear on Nov 19, 2014 11:51:29 GMT -5
I didn't know I was posting with a bunch of curmudgeons on here. Ya'll sound like my attorney friends that get offended by every little thing and use words like egregious, unnerved, and repulsed. A fat guy just did a cartwheel and that is freaking impressive. Maybe ya'll should go back in time and tell Kevin not to do the nae nae dance after we beat duke because we should act like we've been there before. Mercer is becoming known nationally for doing awesome things and then having awesome celebrations. This defines my undergraduate experience more than anything else could... work hard, accomplish good stuff, celebrate your accomplishments, repeat. Who doesn't want to be apart of that? What potential Mercer recruit watched that celebration and didn't smile and think, "I want to play in that environment and for that coach!" Not to mention that it has been a long season for these players and whereas we see a 1-6 conference record as a sign of good things to come, they don't. Let the kids/ promote the kids having some fun when they can, and I suggest you start having some fun as well and stop sounding like Furman fans. I'd do a cartwheel right now if I could. I'm not "offended." If Mercer wants to set up a goofy touchdown celebration against a team they are clubbing, fine. Their call. I see the celebration after the win against Duke as a wholly different thing. That was pure elation after a game against a national powerhouse. That game accomplished something. This stuff on Saturday was just goofing off against a team that was little competition to Mercer. Again, that's my opinion. As for fun, here is the Furman football team last year doing the "Nae Nae" six months before Mercer fans discovered the dance, with the student section, after winning a championship against their rival, Wofford. That was fun. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSU6M9_4nO8). Oh yeah- I remember seeing that on tv... not.
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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 19, 2014 13:12:59 GMT -5
If Mercer wants to set up a goofy touchdown celebration against a team they are clubbing, fine. Just for 'the record' - you know me, I always want that 'record' to be accurate!....This TD was in the 2nd quarter and the score was 21-0 prior to the TD. Yes, it appeared that Mercer was clearly the better team, but Mercer recently came back from 21 down to within fingertips of tying a game against the SoCon Champions (who most SoCon fans, including you, would say is clearly the better team, right?)...so I'm not sure your characterization of "a team they are clubbing" is 100% 'fair' without the benefit of hindsight. Also, after scoring 2 more TD's in the 1st half, to make the score 42-0, I believe Mercer offered to play 10 minute quarters in the 2nd half instead of 15 minute quarters. And I believe Warner accepted that offer because they did shorten the 2nd half by 1/3rd. I've never seen that done before, but it does make more football-sense than a running clock mercy rule (as is used at other levels) because it allow both teams to play the 'normal' flow of the game, enabling them to 'get reps' AND accomplishes the same intent as the running clock. Mercer's starters did play the 1st series of the 2nd half and then 'checked out' for the rest of the day. I would think if Mercer's intent was to humiliate the opponent and/or to pad stats (which might have made some sense as they have 2 Finalists, Alex Lakes & Chandler Curtis, in the running for the Jerry Rice Award - Best FR in FCS), then they would not have offered the shortened game and would have left the starters in much longer. Also - As a former Offensive Lineman, I take personal offense at you calling the celebration "goofy!" I saw nothing but amazing young athletes demonstrating their agility, versatility, and grace. From the snap of the ball to the final flourish of the cartwheel, I felt as if I were watching the beauty of the Olympians of Ancient Greece!
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Post by jackal on Nov 19, 2014 13:49:00 GMT -5
I'm not "offended." If Mercer wants to set up a goofy touchdown celebration against a team they are clubbing, fine. Their call. I see the celebration after the win against Duke as a wholly different thing. That was pure elation after a game against a national powerhouse. That game accomplished something. This stuff on Saturday was just goofing off against a team that was little competition to Mercer. Again, that's my opinion. As for fun, here is the Furman football team last year doing the "Nae Nae" six months before Mercer fans discovered the dance, with the student section, after winning a championship against their rival, Wofford. That was fun. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSU6M9_4nO8). Oh yeah- I remember seeing that on tv... not. So, Furman fans can only have fun if they are on tv?
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