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Post by FUBeAR on Jul 11, 2015 19:21:30 GMT -5
What to expect from the Mercer Bears in 2015Discuss... Mercer was close, so close, several times in its first Southern Conference season, but the Bears ended up with a 1-6 conference record. Mercer should get a boost by this year’s freshman class and the six players who redshirted last year, along with continued work in the weight room from the returning players to get bigger and stronger. Let’s take a look, yep in July, at a game-by-game prediction for the Bears’ season. Sept. 5 at Austin Peay: The Governors went 1-11 in 2014 and gave up more than 40 points eight times. ... W. Sept. 12 vs. Stetson: The Hatters and Bears will meet for the third straight year. The Bears have won the first two by a combined score of 90-14. ... W. Sept. 19 at Tennessee Tech: The Golden Eagles have finished 5-7 each of the past two seasons. ... W. Oct. 3 vs. Wofford: This was the one conference game last year that wasn’t close for the Bears as they were outclassed by the Terriers in the season finale. The Terriers lost a lot from last season’s team to graduation. ... W. Oct. 10 at Western Carolina: The Catamounts won more games last year (seven) than they did in the four seasons previous seasons combined (six). ... L. Oct. 17 vs. East Tennessee State: The Bucs are working their way back to the Southern Conference, but this won’t count as a conference game in their first year of play. ... W. Oct. 24 vs. VMI: The Bears got their lone conference win last year at VMI and will make it 2-for-2. ... W. Oct. 31 at The Citadel: Probably the most disappointing loss of 2014 came in a 28-26 defeat to The Citadel. Mark this one up as a revenge game. ... W. Nov. 7 vs. Chattanooga: The Mocs were the class of the conference last year and only beat the Bears by seven. But Chattanooga looks like the class of the conference once again. ... L. Nov. 14 at Furman: The Paladins lost nine of their final 10 games last year after edging the Bears. Another revenge game for Mercer. ... W. Nov. 21 vs. Samford: Macon native Chris Hatcher has stepped into a terrific situation with the Bulldogs after Pat Sullivan stepped down. Usually, new head coaches don’t land with good teams, but he has done just that. There will be a large Samford/Hatcher contingent at Five Star Stadium for the season finale. ... L. Final record: 8-3, 4-3.
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Post by visitor on Jul 11, 2015 20:37:43 GMT -5
When I finished laughing, all I've got to say about the Telegraph predictions is - "inane drivel" or " insane drivel " might be a better phrase.
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Post by BearDownMU on Jul 11, 2015 21:07:24 GMT -5
Thanks "visitor". Lol
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Post by MUfan on Jul 11, 2015 21:38:04 GMT -5
I am thinking 6-5 is more likely. However, I don't think Mr. Shirley's prediction is out of the realm of possibilities.
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Post by FUBeAR on Jul 11, 2015 22:34:05 GMT -5
Wait BearDownMU. I completely agree with "Visitor." Mr. Shirley has projected 1 (or more) of these games incorrectly. I suspect once he gets called out about this issue, he'll alter the online text soon and fix his 'mistake' claiming something about 'forgetting' a game (or games), even though the original totals add up to 11 & 7. Of course, he won't acknowledge his 'mistake' by announcing his revised projection through the same number of Tweets with which he announced his original projections. Nah, I'm just kidding. Mr. Shirley would never do any of those things because he's a responsible person who recognizes he is a journalist and, therefore, has a responsibility to the consumers of his content to behave professionally, whether or not he is paid for his work.
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Post by BearDownMU on Jul 11, 2015 22:41:01 GMT -5
I stand by my original prediction of 14-1 just BEARly losing to Alabama in the first round of the College Football Playoff.
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Post by jackal on Jul 12, 2015 19:46:47 GMT -5
I am thinking 6-5 is more likely. However, I don't think Mr. Shirley's prediction is out of the realm of possibilities. Anything is possible. I appreciate that there appears to be no analysis in much of this other than what you might look up on wikipedia. Macon's favorite son, Chris Hatcher, did at least get a couple sentences.
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Post by MUfan on Jul 12, 2015 20:26:01 GMT -5
I am thinking 6-5 is more likely. However, I don't think Mr. Shirley's prediction is out of the realm of possibilities. Anything is possible. I appreciate that there appears to be no analysis in much of this other than what you might look up on wikipedia. Macon's favorite son, Chris Hatcher, did at least get a couple sentences. He might have spent a good 5 minutes putting it together.
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Post by FUBeAR on Jul 12, 2015 22:00:49 GMT -5
I am thinking 6-5 is more likely. However, I don't think Mr. Shirley's prediction is out of the realm of possibilities. Anything is possible. I appreciate that there appears to be no analysis in much of this other than what you might look up on wikipedia. Macon's favorite son, Chris Hatcher, did at least get a couple sentences. On the other hand, I suspect this one article contains more words than The Greenville (SC) News has written about FU, the hometown team, in the past 2 years. Maybe they're waiting until they finish their analysis.
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Post by jackal on Jul 13, 2015 5:42:27 GMT -5
Anything is possible. I appreciate that there appears to be no analysis in much of this other than what you might look up on wikipedia. Macon's favorite son, Chris Hatcher, did at least get a couple sentences. On the other hand, I suspect this one article contains more words than The Greenville (SC) News has written about FU, the hometown team, in the past 2 years. Maybe they're waiting until they finish their analysis. You are changing the subject again. What does this have to do with Furman? You are obviously not familiar with my former classmate Manny Robinson at the Greenville News. He writes extensively (and well) on Furman (among other things) for the Greenville News. Compare the following articles and tell me which you think is better (http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/college/furman/2015/05/05/next-furman-ad-must-steer-through-uncharted-roads/26918935/) and (http://www.macon.com/2015/07/11/3839214/what-to-expect-from-the-mercer.html). Notice on the Telegraph post a Wofford fan corrects the writer's laziness in the comments below. Is it better to write something poorly just to write something?
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Post by FUBeAR on Jul 13, 2015 17:37:05 GMT -5
On the other hand, I suspect this one article contains more words than The Greenville (SC) News has written about FU, the hometown team, in the past 2 years. Maybe they're waiting until they finish their analysis. You are changing the subject again. What does this have to do with Furman? You are obviously not familiar with my former classmate Manny Robinson at the Greenville News. He writes extensively (and well) on Furman (among other things) for the Greenville News. Compare the following articles and tell me which you think is better (http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/college/furman/2015/05/05/next-furman-ad-must-steer-through-uncharted-roads/26918935/) and (http://www.macon.com/2015/07/11/3839214/what-to-expect-from-the-mercer.html). Notice on the Telegraph post a Wofford fan corrects the writer's laziness in the comments below. Is it better to write something poorly just to write something? The subject of your post was: "Why I think this article sux," right? So, my post replies directly to your post in that my point is, "At least there IS an article in the hometown paper about the hometown team, in contrast to what I've seen myself and heard Paladin fans complain about since Dan Foster left The Greenville News." Same subject, different angle. I'm glad you were able to deeply search the archives of that paper and come up with one article that, ostensibly, was about FU Athletics. Although, as I read it, I lost track if it was about FU or the P5, the SEC, the ACC, South Carolina (USC), and, of course, Clemson. Almost 1/2 of the paragraphs were fully about or referred to those programs...par for the course for that paper...as you know. BTW - When Mr. Shirley said Wofford "lost a lot from last season's team," perhaps he was not referring to the number of players (as the 'commenter' you referenced called out). Maybe he was referring, instead, to lost production. On Defense, Wofford lost their leaders in Total Tackles (66), Unassisted Tackles (44), Assisted Tackles (22), Tackles for Loss (11-29 yds), and Sacks (Co-Leader)(4-19). That's about 1/4 of the tackles on their top 11 and 1/2 of the TFL's and Sacks. On Offense, they lost ball carriers accounting for 90 attempts, almost 600 yards of rushing (more than some entire FCS teams rushed in 2014), and 5 TD's. So, let's not be so quick to assess the accuracy of Mr. Shirley's statements until we drill down deeply into the stats, as I imagine he did before posting his correct statement regarding Wofford's losses, and his predictions. He is, after all, a fellow Clemson-Alum of mine, y'know. Did you see any other ACTUAL errors in the story that you want to try to denigrate? BTW2 - either you or the paper spelled your friend's nickname wrong. I know you're a smart guy, so I'm betting it was the Greenville News that can't spell their own employee's nickname accurately. Surely, you wouldn't misspell the nickname of your good friend and classmate, would you?
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Post by jackal on Jul 14, 2015 5:40:23 GMT -5
You are changing the subject again. What does this have to do with Furman? You are obviously not familiar with my former classmate Manny Robinson at the Greenville News. He writes extensively (and well) on Furman (among other things) for the Greenville News. Compare the following articles and tell me which you think is better (http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/college/furman/2015/05/05/next-furman-ad-must-steer-through-uncharted-roads/26918935/) and (http://www.macon.com/2015/07/11/3839214/what-to-expect-from-the-mercer.html). Notice on the Telegraph post a Wofford fan corrects the writer's laziness in the comments below. Is it better to write something poorly just to write something? The subject of your post was: "Why I think this article sux," right? So, my post replies directly to your post in that my point is, "At least there IS an article in the hometown paper about the hometown team, in contrast to what I've seen myself and heard Paladin fans complain about since Dan Foster left The Greenville News." Same subject, different angle. I'm glad you were able to deeply search the archives of that paper and come up with one article that, ostensibly, was about FU Athletics. Although, as I read it, I lost track if it was about FU or the P5, the SEC, the ACC, South Carolina (USC), and, of course, Clemson. Almost 1/2 of the paragraphs were fully about or referred to those programs...par for the course for that paper...as you know. BTW - When Mr. Shirley said Wofford "lost a lot from last season's team," perhaps he was not referring to the number of players (as the 'commenter' you referenced called out). Maybe he was referring, instead, to lost production. On Defense, Wofford lost their leaders in Total Tackles (66), Unassisted Tackles (44), Assisted Tackles (22), Tackles for Loss (11-29 yds), and Sacks (Co-Leader)(4-19). That's about 1/4 of the tackles on their top 11 and 1/2 of the TFL's and Sacks. On Offense, they lost ball carriers accounting for 90 attempts, almost 600 yards of rushing (more than some entire FCS teams rushed in 2014), and 5 TD's. So, let's not be so quick to assess the accuracy of Mr. Shirley's statements until we drill down deeply into the stats, as I imagine he did before posting his correct statement regarding Wofford's losses, and his predictions. He is, after all, a fellow Clemson-Alum of mine, y'know. Did you see any other ACTUAL errors in the story that you want to try to denigrate? BTW2 - either you or the paper spelled your friend's nickname wrong. I know you're a smart guy, so I'm betting it was the Greenville News that can't spell their own employee's nickname accurately. Surely, you wouldn't misspell the nickname of your good friend and classmate, would you? It took me about 5 seconds to find that article. The content is about Furman athletics, written in the last two years (couple weeks ago, actually) and contains far more words and analysis than Mr. Shirley's article. So, your statement is decidedly not correct. I don't fact check Mr. Shirley's work (that's his job, or his editors). The quality of that article is not swayed by factual inaccuracies as there are few actual facts in the write up. To paraphrase the Dude, "it's just like, his opinion, man." You, in a internet post, put more time into analyzing Wofford's roster than he did in a published article.
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Post by FUBeAR on Jul 14, 2015 8:15:37 GMT -5
The subject of your post was: "Why I think this article sux," right? So, my post replies directly to your post in that my point is, "At least there IS an article in the hometown paper about the hometown team, in contrast to what I've seen myself and heard Paladin fans complain about since Dan Foster left The Greenville News." Same subject, different angle. I'm glad you were able to deeply search the archives of that paper and come up with one article that, ostensibly, was about FU Athletics. Although, as I read it, I lost track if it was about FU or the P5, the SEC, the ACC, South Carolina (USC), and, of course, Clemson. Almost 1/2 of the paragraphs were fully about or referred to those programs...par for the course for that paper...as you know. BTW - When Mr. Shirley said Wofford "lost a lot from last season's team," perhaps he was not referring to the number of players (as the 'commenter' you referenced called out). Maybe he was referring, instead, to lost production. On Defense, Wofford lost their leaders in Total Tackles (66), Unassisted Tackles (44), Assisted Tackles (22), Tackles for Loss (11-29 yds), and Sacks (Co-Leader)(4-19). That's about 1/4 of the tackles on their top 11 and 1/2 of the TFL's and Sacks. On Offense, they lost ball carriers accounting for 90 attempts, almost 600 yards of rushing (more than some entire FCS teams rushed in 2014), and 5 TD's. So, let's not be so quick to assess the accuracy of Mr. Shirley's statements until we drill down deeply into the stats, as I imagine he did before posting his correct statement regarding Wofford's losses, and his predictions. He is, after all, a fellow Clemson-Alum of mine, y'know. Did you see any other ACTUAL errors in the story that you want to try to denigrate? BTW2 - either you or the paper spelled your friend's nickname wrong. I know you're a smart guy, so I'm betting it was the Greenville News that can't spell their own employee's nickname accurately. Surely, you wouldn't misspell the nickname of your good friend and classmate, would you? It took me about 5 seconds to find that article. The content is about Furman athletics, written in the last two years (couple weeks ago, actually) and contains far more words and analysis than Mr. Shirley's article. So, your statement is decidedly not correct. I don't fact check Mr. Shirley's work (that's his job, or his editors). The quality of that article is not swayed by factual inaccuracies as there are few actual facts in the write up. To paraphrase the Dude, "it's just like, his opinion, man." You, in a internet post, put more time into analyzing Wofford's roster than he did in a published article. Just because he didn't 'show his work,' doesn't mean he didn't do it. My point is that the comments about 'laziness,' not putting time time into his background work on the article, etc. are uninformed and unfair (not atypical for a message board, I know). No one can know what he did or didn't do to develop his opinions/predictions. Perhaps, with the exception of the Wofford prediction, the facts that he did post about each game were the ones that he felt were most relevant to informing his prediction and just happened to be fairly easy to research. I have to admit I questioned his Wofford comment as well, because I took what the Wofford (and Duke, hmmm?) supporter said as 'fact' also, but when I did that deep dive (as, perhaps, Mr. Shirley did), the actual situation may not be as it appears on the surface. The truth is that you don't know how much time he (or I) put into analyzing Wofford's stats/roster. Unlike the Greenville News article you posted, Mr. Shirley did, at least, stay on topic; rather than spending almost half of his article discussing the SEC, the ACC, UGa, and GT...or his alma mater. Does it make sense that in an article titled ""Next Furman AD must steer through uncharted roads" that I learn which FBS Conferences are in the P5, the elements of what FCOA involves for these conferences, when that decision was made by those conferences, the actual dollar figures (down to the $) of FCOA for Clemson and USC, when these 2 schools will begin paying FCOA, and how much that total expenditure will be for them? None of this is important to FU's next AD and the relevance of the whole FCOA 'thing' is debatable. I would think an article about how the next AD is going to address attendance issues in Football and Men's Basketball, lack of support/connection from/with the Greater Greenville area, recent history (with a couple of exceptions) of lack of on-the-field success in Football and Men's Basketball, the recent near-death of the Men's Golf program, and other issues would be much more relevant in an article about FURMAN and the next AD there. I know these are the issues that are top-of-mind concerns for FU's new President. I understand though. At present, if the Greenville News wants readers, they have to be sure that every sports-related article must be about Cocks and Tigers.
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Post by BearDownMU on Jul 14, 2015 9:25:25 GMT -5
Why don't we do an apples to apples comparison. Jackal, can you please link the Greenville paper's prediction and game-by-game analysis for Furman's 2015 season? That would be a much better way to determine the superior reporter.
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Post by jackal on Jul 14, 2015 9:49:11 GMT -5
Why don't we do an apples to apples comparison. Jackal, can you please link the Greenville paper's prediction and game-by-game analysis for Furman's 2015 season? That would be a much better way to determine the superior reporter. Let's stay on topic people. Let me quote Bear (with my emphasis): "On the other hand, I suspect this one article contains more words than The Greenville (SC) News has written about FU, the hometown team, in the past 2 years. Maybe they're waiting until they finish their analysis." Is there an article in the Greenville News written about Furman in the past two years? Yes, there is. I posted one of them. I am sure there are more. I didn't look very hard as the first article I found directly addressed the question. Now, if you want to discuss the Greenville New's coverage of Furman's season, that is a different issue (no pun intended). Let me address that digression. 1. No one is arguing Greenville News gives stellar coverage to Furman football. Most would say that the paper largely ignores Furman. That doesn't have anything to do with what we are talking about. What does the depth of analysis of Mercer's football schedule in the Macon Telegraph have to do with Furman's coverage in the Greenville News? Nothing.
2. Furman will probably have less coverage than Mercer in the local paper. Furman is a smaller school than Mercer in a much larger market. Mercer is one of the largest employers in Middle Georgia. They have a smaller readership and more folks directly impacted by what is going on at Mercer.
3. The season is still 50 someodd days away. Maybe the Greenville News will do an analysis. Maybe they won't. If they do, I can post it here and you can offer your opinion.
Look, you write for a local paper you open yourself up to criticism. If you think that the article was an in-depth look at Mercer's schedule, then you are entitled to that opinion. Mr. Shirley is entitled to his opinion, just as I am to mine. The article is an opinion piece, but gives little reason for his conclusions (unless you count "revenge" as a basis for reaching a conclusion).
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