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Post by chez23 on Nov 13, 2015 12:01:16 GMT -5
Was curiuos how the recruiting is doing for 2016? Dont see or hear much on this. Sorry if there are other ways to find out, being new just dont see anything on it or know where to look.
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 13, 2015 12:21:07 GMT -5
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Post by chez23 on Nov 15, 2015 21:01:44 GMT -5
Thanks. Anybody in here ever talk about it?
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 15, 2015 21:45:36 GMT -5
We do when we start to get more commit info. FCS is a lot different than FBS, in that there aren't 8,431 different recruiting services tracking all the players. They guy that runs SoConRecruiting.com does us quite a good service by keeping up. I think a ton of it is when kids actually "self-report" their commits on Twitter, because the school cannot officially comment on any commitments until they receive their Letters of Intent on National Signing Day in February.
As the commits info start to trickle out, I'm sure we will discuss.
There was a thread a while back when we talked a bit about Kaelan Riley, our QB commit from Calhoun High.
He's actually put up a new Hudl from his Senior Year I just noticed.
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Post by bear38 on Nov 16, 2015 7:52:28 GMT -5
We do when we start to get more commit info. FCS is a lot different than FBS, in that there aren't 8,431 different recruiting services tracking all the players. They guy that runs SoConRecruiting.com does us quite a good service by keeping up. I think a ton of it is when kids actually "self-report" their commits on Twitter, because the school cannot officially comment on any commitments until they receive their Letters of Intent on National Signing Day in February. As the commits info start to trickle out, I'm sure we will discuss. There was a thread a while back when we talked a bit about Kaelan Riley, our QB commit from Calhoun High. He's actually put up a new Hudl from his Senior Year I just noticed. Mercer coaches on Twitter just announced a big TE commitment from Florida. Calling Mercer TE-U now.  |
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Post by chez23 on Nov 16, 2015 15:35:18 GMT -5
so FCS cant have verbal commits only stating commitments AFTER they sign NLI?
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 16, 2015 15:47:25 GMT -5
so FCS cant have verbal commits only stating commitments AFTER they sign NLI? No we can definitely have verbal commits, just like FBS. It's just that they are much harder to track them because Rivals, 247Sports, etc., doesn't keep up with FCS verbal commitments like they do for FBS kids. And, on top of that, FCS AND FBS coaches are not allowed to comment on individual players until after they have OFFICIALLY committed via their LOI. So, you may see a cryptic tweet from a Mercer coach that reads something like "Just got better with a big OL commit today!" or "Just added a HUGE recruit at LB!". But they are not allowed to call players by name in any public arena, press or social media until they are officially in. |
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Post by jackal on Nov 16, 2015 16:03:15 GMT -5
so FCS cant have verbal commits only stating commitments AFTER they sign NLI? No we can definitely have verbal commits, just like FBS. It's just that they are much harder to track them because Rivals, 247Sports, etc., doesn't keep up with FCS verbal commitments like they do for FBS kids. And, on top of that, FCS AND FBS coaches are not allowed to comment on individual players until after they have OFFICIALLY committed via their LOI. So, you may see a cryptic tweet from a Mercer coach that reads something like "Just got better with a big OL commit today!" or "Just added a HUGE recruit at LB!". But they are not allowed to call players by name in any public arena, press or social media until they are officially in. Our group at Furman's forum has been pretty diligent about monitoring the recruiting. Typically coaches will never identify the player, maybe only noting that they got a guy from a certain zip code or state. Typically, you can find alternative confirmation of the commitment. The kid will change his avatar to Furman's logo for instance, or the local paper will pick something up, he will get congratulated on social media by other players you already know are confirmed commits. That type stuff. Verbal commits are just verbal until the NLI is singed, just like anywhere else. Occasionally you will have an early commit that will play his way to an FBS scholarship his senior year. I sometimes find myself pulling for a commit to have a good season, but not too good a season to the point he ends up on a Big School's radar. May be a short cut, but you can go check out the list of offers/commits on Furman's message board. They do a pretty good job of keeping it up to date. I think you will find that a lot of the guys Furman offers are going to be players Mercer offers as well. They are looking for the same type player in many of the same spots. |
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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 16, 2015 16:37:52 GMT -5
See below for the only differences in "Recruiting" (just the numbers and structure of scholarship) from FBS to FCS...and while we're on the subject, let's look a the REAL DIFFERENCES IN NCAA Division I FBS Football and Division I FCS Football - the Football iself, the quality of Football, that you see on the field. Not talking about attendance, $'s, Fanbase, Stadium size of any of that rigamaroll. Just talkin' BALL! | Factor | FBS | FCS | Notes | | Postseason/Playoffs | Some kind of 4 team made-for-TV sham they call a 'playoff' + a bunch of meaningless games played by mediocre teams | A real nationwide 24 team playoff resulting in a real National Champion |
| | # of Scholarships | 85 | 63 | Resulting in the primary difference in on-the-field football quality - DEPTH | | Form of Scholarships | All are full tuition/room/board/books - may not be divided | 63 Scholarship 'equivalents' ($'s) may be divided among 85 players | Pretty sure - Open to someone fact checking this | | Average Player Height | X | X -1" | FUBeAR's well-studied, but not systematically calculated estimate | | Average Player Weight | X | X - 5-10 LB's (depending upon position) | FUBeAR's well-studied, but not systematically calculated estimate
| | Average Player 40 time | X | X - 0.1 | FUBeAR's well-studied, but not systematically calculated estimate
| Average Player 'Strength'
| X | X |
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Post by bear38 on Nov 16, 2015 17:05:06 GMT -5
See below for the only differences in "Recruiting" (just the numbers and structure of scholarship) from FBS to FCS...and while we're on the subject, let's look a the REAL DIFFERENCES IN NCAA Division I FBS Football and Division I FCS Football - the Football iself, the quality of Football, that you see on the field. Not talking about attendance, $'s, Fanbase, Stadium size of any of that rigamaroll. Just talkin' BALL! | Factor | FBS | FCS | Notes | | Postseason/Playoffs | Some kind of 4 team made-for-TV sham they call a 'playoff' + a bunch of meaningless games played by mediocre teams | A real nationwide 24 team playoff resulting in a real National Champion |
| | # of Scholarships | 85 | 63 | Resulting in the primary difference in on-the-field football quality - DEPTH | | Form of Scholarships | All are full tuition/room/board/books - may not be divided among more than 85 players | 63 Scholarship 'equivalents' ($'s) may be divided among 85 players | Pretty sure - Open to someone fact checking this | | Average Player Height | X | X -1" | FUBeAR's well-studied, but not systematically calculated estimate | | Average Player Weight | X | X - 5-10 LB's (depending upon position) | FUBeAR's well-studied, but not systematically calculated estimate
| | Average Player 40 time | X | X - 0.1 | FUBeAR's well-studied, but not systematically calculated estimate
| Average Player 'Strength'
| X | X |
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I can confirm that FUBeAR is correct on the scholarships. However, If you get a partial football scholarship, you are still able to receive any other scholarship available to the general student population (i.e. if a student qualifies for 1/2 academic scholarship, the football program can offer a 1/2 athletic on top of that). Thus, if a program has a lot of smart kids, you can give 44 half football (plus academic, Hope, Pell, etc. money) and 41 full football only scholarships. This would count as 85 players getting 63 scholarships. |
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 16, 2015 17:19:47 GMT -5
See below for the only differences in "Recruiting" (just the numbers and structure of scholarship) from FBS to FCS...and while we're on the subject, let's look a the REAL DIFFERENCES IN NCAA Division I FBS Football and Division I FCS Football - the Football iself, the quality of Football, that you see on the field. Not talking about attendance, $'s, Fanbase, Stadium size of any of that rigamaroll. Just talkin' BALL! | Factor | FBS | FCS | Notes | | Postseason/Playoffs | Some kind of 4 team made-for-TV sham they call a 'playoff' + a bunch of meaningless games played by mediocre teams | A real nationwide 24 team playoff resulting in a real National Champion |
| | # of Scholarships | 85 | 63 | Resulting in the primary difference in on-the-field football quality - DEPTH | | Form of Scholarships | All are full tuition/room/board/books - may not be divided among more than 85 players | 63 Scholarship 'equivalents' ($'s) may be divided among 85 players | Pretty sure - Open to someone fact checking this | | Average Player Height | X | X -1" | FUBeAR's well-studied, but not systematically calculated estimate | | Average Player Weight | X | X - 5-10 LB's (depending upon position) | FUBeAR's well-studied, but not systematically calculated estimate
| | Average Player 40 time | X | X - 0.1 | FUBeAR's well-studied, but not systematically calculated estimate
| Average Player 'Strength'
| X | X |
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I can confirm that FUBeAR is correct on the scholarships. However, If you get a partial football scholarship, you are still able to receive any other scholarship available to the general student population (i.e. if a student qualifies for 1/2 academic scholarship, the football program can offer a 1/2 athletic on top of that). Thus, if a program has a lot of smart kids, you can give 44 half football (plus academic, Hope, Pell, etc. money) and 41 full football only scholarships. This would count as 85 players getting 63 scholarships. Senior #38 is correct with one minor caveat, assuming things haven't changed since I was an Admission Officer at Mercer. The student athletes can absolutely receive academic money and it not count toward the athletic teams allotment of scholarships ( as stated above in the 1/2 academic, 1/2 athletic example). Another example, if you had an athlete that was smart enough to receive a full academic scholarship and was a good enough player to be on the athletic team, they would account for zero "scholarships" against the team. However, the school must submit requirements and in all cases show that these students are receiving academic monies in accordance and balance with what similar non-athletic students are receiving. This prevents a school from saying, "Well, George has a 3.1 GPA and a 1050 on the SAT so he got a full academic scholarship." That way, the school can't "cheat" the NCAA scholarship requirements but unfairly awarding academic money to an athlete that wouldn't have received that level of aid otherwise. Which is why I always tell parents who have kids aspiring to play college sports. Make sure they keep those grades up. If they are smart enough to offset some of the money that a coach would have to commit to them, they are infinitely more attractive as a recruit. |
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Post by bear38 on Nov 16, 2015 18:03:57 GMT -5
I can confirm that FUBeAR is correct on the scholarships. However, If you get a partial football scholarship, you are still able to receive any other scholarship available to the general student population (i.e. if a student qualifies for 1/2 academic scholarship, the football program can offer a 1/2 athletic on top of that). Thus, if a program has a lot of smart kids, you can give 44 half football (plus academic, Hope, Pell, etc. money) and 41 full football only scholarships. This would count as 85 players getting 63 scholarships. Senior #38 is correct with one minor caveat, assuming things haven't changed since I was an Admission Officer at Mercer. The student athletes can absolutely receive academic money and it not count toward the athletic teams allotment of scholarships ( as stated above in the 1/2 academic, 1/2 athletic example). Another example, if you had an athlete that was smart enough to receive a full academic scholarship and was a good enough player to be on the athletic team, they would account for zero "scholarships" against the team. However, the school must submit requirements and in all cases show that these students are receiving academic monies in accordance and balance with what similar non-athletic students are receiving. This prevents a school from saying, "Well, George has a 3.1 GPA and a 1050 on the SAT so he got a full academic scholarship." That way, the school can't "cheat" the NCAA scholarship requirements but unfairly awarding academic money to an athlete that wouldn't have received that level of aid otherwise. Which is why I always tell parents who have kids aspiring to play college sports. Make sure they keep those grades up. If they are smart enough to offset some of the money that a coach would have to commit to them, they are infinitely more attractive as a recruit. Good advice!. I would also advise to apply early enough to school you are interested in so that you meet the academic scholarship deadline. We had one FCS school tell us not to worry, then in Feb. they offered a partial instead of the full football scholarship they had talked about, but it was too late to apply for academic scholarship money which he would have gotten automatically if applied timely. Crazy, but these things happen in the last minute of signing deadlines. (Not that it would have changed his selection of Mercer, of course!). It is all about keeping your options open. |
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Post by FCS Fan on Nov 16, 2015 20:06:39 GMT -5
I can confirm that FUBeAR is correct on the scholarships. However, If you get a partial football scholarship, you are still able to receive any other scholarship available to the general student population (i.e. if a student qualifies for 1/2 academic scholarship, the football program can offer a 1/2 athletic on top of that). Thus, if a program has a lot of smart kids, you can give 44 half football (plus academic, Hope, Pell, etc. money) and 41 full football only scholarships. This would count as 85 players getting 63 scholarships. Senior #38 is correct with one minor caveat, assuming things haven't changed since I was an Admission Officer at Mercer. The student athletes can absolutely receive academic money and it not count toward the athletic teams allotment of scholarships ( as stated above in the 1/2 academic, 1/2 athletic example). Another example, if you had an athlete that was smart enough to receive a full academic scholarship and was a good enough player to be on the athletic team, they would account for zero "scholarships" against the team.
However, the school must submit requirements and in all cases show that these students are receiving academic monies in accordance and balance with what similar non-athletic students are receiving. This prevents a school from saying, "Well, George has a 3.1 GPA and a 1050 on the SAT so he got a full academic scholarship." That way, the school can't "cheat" the NCAA scholarship requirements but unfairly awarding academic money to an athlete that wouldn't have received that level of aid otherwise. Which is why I always tell parents who have kids aspiring to play college sports. Make sure they keep those grades up. If they are smart enough to offset some of the money that a coach would have to commit to them, they are infinitely more attractive as a recruit. I have never been an admissions counselor, but I know the mixture of athletic and academic scholarships is not as simple as outlined above. It can be done, but there's lots of restrictions placed on it. Otherwise, what’s to stop schools from providing all of their athletes with merit scholarships and just skip the limitations of athletic scholarships? Check out - Can College Athletes Receive both Athletic and Academic Scholarships?and Title:15.02.4.4 - Exempted Institutional Financial Aid. |
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 16, 2015 21:05:40 GMT -5
Senior #38 is correct with one minor caveat, assuming things haven't changed since I was an Admission Officer at Mercer. The student athletes can absolutely receive academic money and it not count toward the athletic teams allotment of scholarships ( as stated above in the 1/2 academic, 1/2 athletic example). Another example, if you had an athlete that was smart enough to receive a full academic scholarship and was a good enough player to be on the athletic team, they would account for zero "scholarships" against the team.
However, the school must submit requirements and in all cases show that these students are receiving academic monies in accordance and balance with what similar non-athletic students are receiving. This prevents a school from saying, "Well, George has a 3.1 GPA and a 1050 on the SAT so he got a full academic scholarship." That way, the school can't "cheat" the NCAA scholarship requirements but unfairly awarding academic money to an athlete that wouldn't have received that level of aid otherwise. Which is why I always tell parents who have kids aspiring to play college sports. Make sure they keep those grades up. If they are smart enough to offset some of the money that a coach would have to commit to them, they are infinitely more attractive as a recruit. I have never been an admissions counselor, but I know the mixture of athletic and academic scholarships is not as simple as outlined above. It can be done, but there's lots of restrictions placed on it. Otherwise, what’s to stop schools from providing all of their athletes with merit scholarships and just skip the limitations of athletic scholarships? Check out - Can College Athletes Receive both Athletic and Academic Scholarships?and Title:15.02.4.4 - Exempted Institutional Financial Aid. Hence my point about merit academic money being on par with the same academic awards received by non athletes. Which was me covering the point about just giving an athlete an academic scholarship they wouldn't get if they weren't an athlete. The reason why it is different for Mercer than what a state school would have to contend with is that you have to be Top 10% of your class, have a 3.5 gpa, or have a 1200 on the SAT. Difference being, if you are below those levels at a place like Mercer, you aren't going to be eligible for merit money anyway. If you have below a 3.0 and a 1000 SAT you can't even get admitted to school, let alone get a scholarship. And it is pretty darn simple. |
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Post by chez23 on Nov 20, 2015 11:32:47 GMT -5
Chatt offering some big boys in 2016 class! Hope MU plans on building the lines as well. All starts up front on both sides. All these kids are lcoal.....hope MU jumps in if they are any good.
TE Matthew McClurg (6-5 230) – Alcoa, TN
TE Stephen Omorogbe (6-4 240) – Woodstock, GA
OL Steven Bedosky (6-4 255) – Fairburn, GA
OL Bailey Byrum (6-7 300) – Sweetwater, TN
OL Akeem Cooperwood (6-7 325) – Milledgeville, GA
OL Peyton Reeder (6-6 280) – Rome, GA
OL/DL Zach Thompson (6-4 295) – Twin City, GA
DE Corey McDonald (6-3 270) – Chattanooga, TN
DE Jonathan Decker (6-4 247) – Alcoa, TN
LB Tru’self Cooper (6-1 225) – Savannah, GA
LB Jeremiah Littles (6-3 225) – Jesup, GA
LB Ryan Parker (6-1 210) – Chattanooga, TN
LB Jireh Wilson (6-1 205 4.7) – Calhoun, GA
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