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Post by orangeandblack on Jan 28, 2016 12:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by jackal on Jan 28, 2016 12:59:18 GMT -5
Well, looks as though the Bears are swinging for the fences in '17. Good pickup and exposure for the program (not to mention pay day). I'd expect they will bring in close to $900k playing those two.
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of scheduling two FBS programs in the same season. 2017 is (I think) still a season where FCS teams can only schedule 11 games. You end up essentially conceding two losses before the season begins, and you end up without a lot of wiggle room going forward.
With 8 conference games, you allow yourself only one out of conference opponent. Difficult sometimes scheduling a winnable game there that is not a sub-D1 game (and does not help get to those magic 7 FCS wins).
Anyway, no arguments about strength of schedule. SoCon is only getting tougher and those are two tough hombres out of the roughest division in football.
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Post by orangeandblack on Jan 28, 2016 13:05:24 GMT -5
We share the same thoughts, Jackal. Two FBS games in one year is gonna be tough. Every single game that Mercer played last year was Division I. I hope that means that going forward we won't be playing against any non-D1 competition. There's no point when it doesn't help toward your playoffs resume.
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Post by jackal on Jan 28, 2016 13:16:47 GMT -5
We share the same thoughts, Jackal. Two FBS games in one year is gonna be tough. Every single game that Mercer played last year was Division I. I hope that means that going forward we won't be playing against any non-D1 competition. There's no point when it doesn't help toward your playoffs resume. The reality is it is expensive to run a football program. I'm sure it would be preferable not to, but sometimes you just have to. You've seen it a few times recently. WCU has made a pretty routine habit of scheduling two FBS games. They are doing it again in 2016 (ECU and USC). This season they scheduled themselves into trouble by playing Mars Hill. Best WCU team in years, and their chances of making the post season were slim simply because they lost two games to SEC schools and played a D2 quad. To make the post season, they would have to basically win 7 of the other 8 games to make the post season. That's hard to do in the SoCon.
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Post by FUBeAR on Jan 28, 2016 13:22:17 GMT -5
You end up essentially conceding two losses You may. I sure don't. I doubt the Bears players and coaches will either. As an FCS Player/Coach, I was involved in 7 games with FBS Teams and I EXPECTED to WIN all 7 of those. I fell short of expectations though. We 'only' won 3 of them. Wins over South Carolina, Georgia Tech, and NC State. Losses to Clemson, North Carolina, Florida, and NC State. 3-4...Disappoints me to this day!
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Post by orangeandblack on Jan 28, 2016 13:37:50 GMT -5
I like it FUBear! I don't count Mercer Football out in any game. Georgia Tech looks ripe for the picking this upcoming September!
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Post by jackal on Jan 28, 2016 13:55:17 GMT -5
You end up essentially conceding two losses You may. I sure don't. I doubt the Bears players and coaches will either. As an FCS Player/Coach, I was involved in 7 games with FBS Teams and I EXPECTED to WIN all 7 of those. I fell short of expectations though. We 'only' won 3 of them. Wins over South Carolina, Georgia Tech, and NC State. Losses to Clemson, North Carolina, Florida, and NC State. 3-4...Disappoints me to this day! I figured you would probably contradict me on that. That is fine, of course. As a neutral observer, I will expect Alabama to do to just about any FCS team what I saw them do to Charleston Southern (a really good FCS team) this season. Thought the Bucs had a shot to make a game of it. I was wrong.
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Post by mercerfan on Jan 28, 2016 18:25:08 GMT -5
Well, looks as though the Bears are swinging for the fences in '17. Good pickup and exposure for the program (not to mention pay day). I'd expect they will bring in close to $900k playing those two. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of scheduling two FBS programs in the same season. 2017 is (I think) still a season where FCS teams can only schedule 11 games. You end up essentially conceding two losses before the season begins, and you end up without a lot of wiggle room going forward. With 8 conference games, you allow yourself only one out of conference opponent. Difficult sometimes scheduling a winnable game there that is not a sub-D1 game (and does not help get to those magic 7 FCS wins). Anyway, no arguments about strength of schedule. SoCon is only getting tougher and those are two tough hombres out of the roughest division in football. I believe that Austin Peay at home is on the 2017 schedule.
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Post by mercerfan on Jan 28, 2016 18:37:44 GMT -5
Wondering if Mercer agreed to 2017 only conditional on getting another date. One earlier rumor was Vanderbilt. I'm sure the Bear Honchos would rather not have two SEC teams in one year, but it would make a huge amount of sense to get a second date in the deal.
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Post by FUBeAR on Jan 31, 2016 14:17:11 GMT -5
You may. I sure don't. I doubt the Bears players and coaches will either. As an FCS Player/Coach, I was involved in 7 games with FBS Teams and I EXPECTED to WIN all 7 of those. I fell short of expectations though. We 'only' won 3 of them. Wins over South Carolina, Georgia Tech, and NC State. Losses to Clemson, North Carolina, Florida, and NC State. 3-4...Disappoints me to this day! I figured you would probably contradict me on that. That is fine, of course. As a neutral observer, I will expect Alabama to do to just about any FCS team what I saw them do to Charleston Southern (a really good FCS team) this season. Thought the Bucs had a shot to make a game of it. I was wrong. Mercer Football plays Alabama in 2017 (2 seasons from now). In 2013 (2 seasons ago), Auburn was leading the BCS National Championship game against FSU by 4 points with 13 seconds left in the game, but did not win. So...2 seasons ago, Auburn was 13 seconds away from being Nat'l Champs, as Alabama was for the 2015 season (2 seasons from 2017). In 2013 (2 seasons ago), JaxSt tied for 3rd place in what many consider a weak FCS Conference and lost to another FCS Team by almost 40 points. In 2015 (2 seasons later than 2013), that same JaxSt would have most likely beaten that same Auburn if their Punter doesn't shank a 17 yard punt with 1:05 left to play and JaxSt leading by a TD. Auburn, eventually won in OT. A lot can happen in just 2 seasons...and...as 'they' say...ON ANY GIVEN SATURDAY...
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Post by chez23 on Feb 2, 2016 11:05:41 GMT -5
Great for MU to play these P5 teams.....it really helps the program and showcases MU. MU needs to play 2 FBS every year!
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Post by BearDownMU on Feb 2, 2016 12:40:23 GMT -5
Great for MU to play these P5 teams.....it really helps the program and showcases MU. MU needs to play 2 FBS every year! Makes it much harder to compete for a spot in the playoffs and a chance at a National Championship.
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Post by wcugrad95 on Feb 2, 2016 13:37:21 GMT -5
For different reasons (ours is almost entirely financially driven), WCU continues to play at least 2 FBS games - we even played 3 a few years back. While exposure and the payday are great, my take is that if we play 2 I would really like for 1 to be against a team that is either geographically close and makes sense, or is a team that there is a legitimate shot to compete against. WCU played Tennessee and Texas A&M last year, which I think is too much. And we have played multiple games against Alabama and a game against Auburn the past several years when those guys played for or won National Championships. This coming year we play East Carolina and South Carolina book-ending our season - I like that much better. From the rumor-mill, it still appears we have contracted at least 2 FBS games for at least the next several years to come. Unofficially, this is what I think we have upcoming:
Upcoming Catamount Football FBS Opponents: 2015: at Tennessee - Sept. 19, 2015 2015: at Texas A&M - Nov. 14, 2015 2016: at East Carolina - Sept. 3, 2016 2016: at South Carolina – Nov. 19, 2016 2017: at Hawai'i - Sept. 2, 2017 2017: at North Carolina – Nov. 18, 2017 2018: at North Carolina – Nov. 17, 2018 2019: at N.C. State - Sept. 7, 2019 2024: at N.C. State - Aug. 31, 2024
No offense to FUBeAR, but historically and statistically a SoCon team versus an upper-tier P5 team is not a very winnable game (and that would be even more true against top-half SEC opponents). I understand the "any given Saturday" line of thinking, as I played at the FCS level, too. But in reality that is a tough hill to climb against really top-level teams. I am cool with playing NC State, ECU, South Carolina, etc. Last season the SoCon proved that FCS versus FBS isn't a big deal when you are talking about bad FBS teams (i.e. South Carolina losing to Citadel and UCF losing to Furman). But it is very tough to play the likes of an Alabama and another probable top-20 type team in the same season - you can lose the game AND take a physical beating doing so.
And as mentioned, having 2 per year definitely puts some serious pressure on your conference games and whatever you can scrape together for an OOC schedule. Western has won 7 games each of the past 2 seasons and I don't think we were in legitimate position to get an at-large bid to the playoffs because of the FBS losses being off-set by scheduling non-D1 games. So WCU would have really needed to go AT LEAST 8-3 last year (with only 1 SoCon loss) to have sniffed the playoffs. I don't expect it to be any different going forward for us.
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Post by FUBeAR on Feb 2, 2016 17:55:28 GMT -5
No offense to FUBeAR, but historically and statistically a SoCon team versus an upper-tier P5 team is not a very winnable game Not offended. I know what the stats are. I still, if I was playing or Coaching, would EXPECT to win the game. If you don't EXPECT to win every game you play - truly EXPECT (not even in the same solar system as 'Hope')...with all of your heart, mind, body, and soul - then you might as well stay in the locker room. I don't care who you're playing. If you haven't done everything you can in terms of physical, mental, and emotional preparation so that you EXPECT to win...stay home....or go play on Jackal's Team (not referring to FU)...talking about the 'Team' Jackal is a player/coach for in message board land. I could take mine and beat his...and then I could take his and beat mine (in message board land)
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Post by jackal on Feb 2, 2016 20:44:36 GMT -5
No offense to FUBeAR, but historically and statistically a SoCon team versus an upper-tier P5 team is not a very winnable game Not offended. I know what the stats are. I still, if I was playing or Coaching, would EXPECT to win the game. If you don't EXPECT to win every game you play - truly EXPECT (not even in the same solar system as 'Hope')...with all of your heart, mind, body, and soul - then you might as well stay in the locker room. I don't care who you're playing. If you haven't done everything you can in terms of physical, mental, and emotional preparation so that you EXPECT to win...stay home....or go play on Jackal's Team (not referring to FU)...talking about the 'Team' Jackal is a player/coach for in message board land. I could take mine and beat his...and then I could take his and beat mine (in message board land) Fortunate for all of us, I found a calling in something other than coaching football. As a fan, I have the ability to be an observer. As an observer, I tend to slide on the scale to "realistic." I watched Alabama dismantle a really good Charleston Southern team this year like they were a Pop Warner club. I think it was 28-0 after a quarter and 49-0 before CSU found the scoreboard. That was a team that many thought could have challenged for the National Title in the FCS. The gap in size, speed, and talent is just enormous.
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