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Post by gomocs on Oct 20, 2014 4:38:41 GMT -5
I want to welcome yall to the SoCon and invite yall up to Chattanooga this coming Saturday. Our message board can be found at www.mocfans.com Free to register. If you need any information on hotels/restaurants/etc, sign up and ask, you will receive help. I have read where Mercer has reserved the Chattanooga Brewing Company for two hours, it is immediately adjacent to the field. I must ask..isn't Mercer a Baptist school? If so, Chattanooga Brewing Company? Anyway, have a safe drive up. |
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Post by bear38 on Oct 20, 2014 8:29:43 GMT -5
I want to welcome yall to the SoCon and invite yall up to Chattanooga this coming Saturday. Our message board can be found at www.mocfans.com Free to register. If you need any information on hotels/restaurants/etc, sign up and ask, you will receive help. I have read where Mercer has reserved the Chattanooga Brewing Company for two hours, it is immediately adjacent to the field. I must ask..isn't Mercer a Baptist school? If so, Chattanooga Brewing Company? Anyway, have a safe drive up. For medicinal purposes only. |
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 20, 2014 10:53:49 GMT -5
Thanks for stopping by gomocs. Mercer was founded as a Baptist institution and certain has deep roots with Baptist heritage over the years. However, in the early 2000's Mercer severed it's official 170+ year relationship with the Georgia Baptist Convention. It had been a tenuous relationship for a number of years as the university became more well known and more diverse. In my estimation, there were two straws that broke the proverbial camel's back. One is published and one I think is not. The first was the GBC getting supremely pissed when they found out that Mercer allowed an LGBT student group to form. Sadly, the Administration began to back-peddle when they realized the GBC was upset, but the relationship ended anyway. On the not confirmed side, I had heard at the time that the GBC was pushing for trustee representation and a more involved role is the University's future path, of which Mercer wasn't having. Around the same time, the GBC also attempted to flex this type of muscle with Shorter College in North Georgia, nearly ripping that school apart. The difference being, Shorter's financial stability was much more dependent on the GBC's support than Mercer, who is, how do I say, in pretty good fiscal shape. Shorter was forced to adhere to the demands of the GBC for fear to potentially losing the college. Mercer was, thank goodness, in a position to not need the GBC to survive, or even thrive. Probably more info than you were interested in, but, while Mercer acknowledges its Baptist roots, it is not officially tethered to a Baptist Convention any longer. Thus endeth the lesson...  |
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Post by pappabear84 on Oct 20, 2014 11:53:19 GMT -5
Great Stuff quick lesson, enjoyed it, Thanks BeardownMu.
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 20, 2014 12:29:03 GMT -5
Thanks for stopping by gomocs. Mercer was founded as a Baptist institution and certain has deep roots with Baptist heritage over the years. However, in the early 2000's Mercer severed it's official 170+ year relationship with the Georgia Baptist Convention. It had been a tenuous relationship for a number of years as the university became more well known and more diverse. In my estimation, there were two straws that broke the proverbial camel's back. One is published and one I think is not. The first was the GBC getting supremely pissed when they found out that Mercer allowed an LGBT student group to form. Sadly, the Administration began to back-peddle when they realized the GBC was upset, but the relationship ended anyway. On the not confirmed side, I had heard at the time that the GBC was pushing for trustee representation and a more involved role is the University's future path, of which Mercer wasn't having. Around the same time, the GBC also attempted to flex this type of muscle with Shorter College in North Georgia, nearly ripping that school apart. The difference being, Shorter's financial stability was much more dependent on the GBC's support than Mercer, who is, how do I say, in pretty good fiscal shape. Shorter was forced to adhere to the demands of the GBC for fear to potentially losing the college. Mercer was, thank goodness, in a position to not need the GBC to survive, or even thrive. Probably more info than you were interested in, but, while Mercer acknowledges its Baptist roots, it is not officially tethered to a Baptist Convention any longer. Thus endeth the lesson... Hmmm...I heard the severing from the Baptists came about so Chandler Curtis would be free to dance in the end zone after ANOTHER KR or PR for a TD. I guess I was misinformed. |
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Post by badnewsbear on Oct 21, 2014 6:59:12 GMT -5
we have a dry campus until a beer spills. Tons of solo cups around campus...
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 21, 2014 9:16:16 GMT -5
Lines are out early this week... Mercer at Chattanooga - Saturday, October 25, 2014 12:00 PM Mercer +24 Over/Under 53 Projects to Final Score Prediction around 38-15 or 39-14 for the Mocs [Maybe a little high, but reasonable, I guess, based on prior & recent results] Other SoCon vs. SoCon lines...
Virginia Military Institute at Wofford - Saturday, October 25, 2014 1:30 PM
Virginia Military Institute +19 Over/Under 64
Projects to Final Score Prediction around 42-22 or 41-23 for the LittleDogs [Keydets will score more if Woffy doesn't play keep-away too long. Would take the points here]
Samford at Furman - Saturday, October 25, 2014 1:30 PM
Samford -3 Over/Under 44
Projects to Final Score Prediction around 24-20 or 23-21 for the Bullpups [If I were a bettin' man, I would lay the 3 and go BIG]
Citadel at Western Carolina - Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:00 PM
Citadel +5 Over/Under 56
Projects to Final Score Prediction around 31-25 or 30-26 for the Can't-Amounts [Take the points and hope the Bellhops show up (this week) & Kitty's are looking ahead to Chatt.]
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Post by gomocs on Oct 21, 2014 15:50:14 GMT -5
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 22, 2014 0:11:43 GMT -5
Chattanooga Head Coach Russ Huesman spoke on the SoCon Weekly Teleconference today. He had very positive things to say about Mercer's Football Program and the Mercer Coaching Staff. He also said that Mercer had excellent skill players on offense. He said Mercer had an excellent, well-coached defense and special teams. Oh yeah, the only thing he had to say about Mercer's Offensive Line was, "Right now, they're young up front and when you're young up front, sometimes you have growing pains, but they CAN get the ball out on the perimeter to good players."  In 65 plays last week with 46 rushing plays, WCU's starting 4 Defensive Linemen had 0 sacks, 0 TFL's, 1 solo tackle & 5 assists combined. Their 2 inside DLmen had 1 assist between them. Their starting right DT had 0 tackles & 0 assists - a BIG Goose Egg on the stats chart. Their 2 MLB's had 2 tackles and 3 assists combined. 7 of WCU's Top 11 tacklers were DB's. In contrast, 7 of Mercer's Top 11 Tacklers were Front Line (DL & LB's) players. Note: #16 is listed as a DB, but he's playing OLB now. "Growing pains" is the assessment for Mercer's O-Line...really? They do have quite a challenge in front of them this week - Chatt's D-Line is NASTY good! The young, growing-pained l'il bear's OL will be up for it and will play hard. Of that, I am certain. #BeatTheMocs #OLinePride |
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 22, 2014 8:56:05 GMT -5
| CHATT | POS | HT | WT | PLAYER | YEAR | YEAR 'VALUE' | STARTS | STARTS 'VALUE' | YrVal+StartVal |
| RT | 74 | 300 | Morgan | R-JR | 2.5 | 27 | 2.7 | 5.2 |
| RG | 75 | 300 | Mayes | R-SR | 3.5 | 7 | 0.7 | 4.2 |
| C | 75 | 295 | Revis | R-FR | 0.5 | 7 | 0.7 | 1.2 |
| LG | 77 | 285 | Levin | R-SO | 1.5 | 18 | 1.8 | 3.3 |
| LT | 76 | 285 | Townson | R-FR | 0.5 | 7 | 0.7 | 1.2 |
| AVG | 75 | 293 |
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| 1.7 | 13.2 | 1.32 | 3.02 |
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| | MERCER | POS | HT | WT | PLAYER | YEAR | YEAR 'VALUE' | STARTS | STARTS 'VALUE' | YrVal+StartVal |
| RT | 78 | 321 | Posey | R-JR | 2.5 | 8 | 0.8 | 3.3 |
| RG | 72 | 270 | White | R-SO | 1.5 | 19 | 1.9 | 3.4 |
| C | 72 | 272 | Southard | R-SO | 1.5 | 20 | 2.0 | 3.5 |
| LG | 72 | 289 | Heres | R-JR | 2.5 | 18 | 1.8 | 4.3 |
| LT | 74 | 287 | Marchman | FR | 0 | 8 | 0.8 | 0.8 |
| AVG | 74 | 288 |
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So... based on Coach Huesman's comment, I wanted to compare Chatt's OL's Age + Experience to Mercer's OL...and while I was at it, I thought I'd throw in Height & Weight. I've assigned what I believe are reasonable values to Years in a College Program and #of Starts to come up with a single Age + Experience Value...and reached the conclusion that Chatt's OL is actually 'younger' than Mercer's OL...and only insignificantly bigger. So...bottom line...in light of Coach's positive comments about every other unit on Mercer's team, I have to conclude that his opinion of Mercer's OL is, "THEY SUCK!" PROVE HIM WRONG ON SATURDAY MEN! |
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Post by gomocs on Oct 22, 2014 9:20:21 GMT -5
We acknowledge our OL is young and inexperienced. If you look at our comments on mocfans.com since the first game much of them have been to the effect of "as our OL goes so goes our team". We lost a presason All SoCon OL'er in the last scrimmage and that resulted in a freshman starting. If you ask me how the game Saturday will go, I will say what I usually say, if our OL plays well the team will play well also.
Looking at your own posted quote:
"Right now, they're young up front and when you're young up front, sometimes you have growing pains, but they CAN get the ball out on the perimeter to good players."
That is hardly trashing the OL. They are young, the fact that ours is young also doesn't make yours any older. All young players have growing pains, we have had and he has spoken of it...and as he said, yall CAN get the ball to good players. Wow, if that is Mercer's version of trash talk, yall should be glad you don't have Georgia Southern around anymore.
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Post by gomocs on Oct 22, 2014 9:26:44 GMT -5
You also aren't going to like this morning's article trash talking FUBEAR:
Huesman on Mercer:
"They've got a lot to sell down there. You can see how quickly they've come along. For them to be where they are right now, two years in, that's impressive."
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 22, 2014 9:46:50 GMT -5
FUBeAR was an All-Conference college OLineman. He looks out for his hogmollies.  |
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 22, 2014 9:59:39 GMT -5
Wow, if that is Mercer's version of trash talk, yall should be glad you don't have Georgia Southern around anymore. First - I was making no comment about Chatt's OL except to compare their Age/Experience (and size, FWIW) to an OL unit that Chatt's HC called "young" in the context of describing his opinion of their performance (or lack of). You are talking about FAN trash-talking...and I agree with you about GaSou. Swore I would never attend another game in Sucksboro after attending my 1st one there in support of another SoCon school...and I hope to continue to live up to that oath. But when a COACH cites EXCELLENCE in every position & unit on an opposing team he is about to play - He mentioned, QB, RB, Perimeter players (WR's), Defense, Special Teams, Returners, and Coaches...and then the ONLY thing he says about the OL, as he is running down his list of EXCELLENCE, is that they are young and have growing pains, I don't think there is any doubt about his opinion of that unit. I am also a HS Coach (Community Coach - P/T) and Coached at the college level (as a GA) for 2 years - so I can speak and interpret Coach-Speak quite well. My area is OL and I strongly disagree with his assessment of Mercer's OL, as do Mercer's QB and RB's. I already cited WCU's DL & MLB Stats vs. Mercer's OL - 3 solo tackles, 8 assists, 11 total tackles, 0 TFL's, 0 sacks. Here is what they did vs. PC... Western Carolina #Solo Ast Tot TFL/Yds Sack/Yds ----------------------------------- 58 - 4 3 7 0.5/5 . . . . . 0.5/5 . 79 - 5 . 5 1.0/1 . . . . . . . 93 - 3 . 3 2.0/11 . . . . . 1.0/7 . 92 - 2 1 3 1.5/11 . . . . . 1.5/11 . 94 - 1 . 1 . . . . . . . . That's a total 15 solo tackles, 4 Assists, 19 Total Tackles, 5 TFL's, and 3 Sacks. If Mercer's OL has growing pains, PC's OL (which is undefeated vs. SoCon schools this year) must still be in the womb! Coach Huesman has a stable of HORSES on that DL (with 2 FBS Transfers and a 3rd guy who I think will be playing on Sundays); there is no doubt about that and they may whip the Bears OL soundly this week...but those young men (Mercer's OL) have performed, for the most part, exceptionally well for 20 games. NOTE: Also - run those values against most SoCon school's OL's...I'm willing to bet a SodaPop on Sat. that you will find that neither Mercer's nor Chatt's OL's are much "younger" than most of the other teams in the SoCon. |
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Post by bear38 on Oct 22, 2014 10:44:51 GMT -5
| CHATT | POS | HT | WT | PLAYER | YEAR | YEAR 'VALUE' | STARTS | STARTS 'VALUE' | YrVal+StartVal |
| RT | 74 | 300 | Morgan | R-JR | 2.5 | 27 | 2.7 | 5.2 |
| RG | 75 | 300 | Mayes | R-SR | 3.5 | 7 | 0.7 | 4.2 |
| C | 75 | 295 | Revis | R-FR | 0.5 | 7 | 0.7 | 1.2 |
| LG | 77 | 285 | Levin | R-SO | 1.5 | 18 | 1.8 | 3.3 |
| LT | 76 | 285 | Townson | R-FR | 0.5 | 7 | 0.7 | 1.2 |
| AVG | 75 | 293 |
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| | MERCER | POS | HT | WT | PLAYER | YEAR | YEAR 'VALUE' | STARTS | STARTS 'VALUE' | YrVal+StartVal |
| RT | 78 | 321 | Posey | R-JR | 2.5 | 8 | 0.8 | 3.3 |
| RG | 72 | 270 | White | R-SO | 1.5 | 19 | 1.9 | 3.4 |
| C | 72 | 272 | Southard | R-SO | 1.5 | 20 | 2.0 | 3.5 |
| LG | 72 | 289 | Heres | R-JR | 2.5 | 18 | 1.8 | 4.3 |
| LT | 74 | 287 | Marchman | FR | 0 | 8 | 0.8 | 0.8 |
| AVG | 74 | 288 |
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So... based on Coach Huesman's comment, I wanted to compare Chatt's OL's Age + Experience to Mercer's OL...and while I was at it, I thought I'd throw in Height & Weight. I've assigned what I believe are reasonable values to Years in a College Program and #of Starts to come up with a single Age + Experience Value...and reached the conclusion that Chatt's OL is actually 'younger' than Mercer's OL...and only insignificantly bigger. So...bottom line...in light of Coach's positive comments about every other unit on Mercer's team, I have to conclude that his opinion of Mercer's OL is, "THEY SUCK!" PROVE HIM WRONG ON SATURDAY MEN! I wasn't planning on dusting off my old Calculus textbooks this morning. Pretty impressive analysis! I think the one thing that may make our OL appear "younger" are the DAP that you have previously spoken about. I don't remember those from last year as much. Granted the OL is not responsible for all the DAP but they have had their share. Through 8 games this year compared to the first 8 games last year our penalties this year are 60 for 536 yards versus 38 for 348 yards last year. |
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