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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 14, 2015 23:52:05 GMT -5
I think Mercer playing pretty darn well, especially in the first half, also had something to do with Furman losing. I get what you are saying. And I know you are very rational and I really appreciate you participating on the board. I just get frustrated because I've largely kept my mouth shut (less a few occasions) in the "message board universe" over the last few years because we are the new guys, and then new to the SoCon. And I was a pledge in a fraternity and a freshman on a college baseball team. I know how that culture works. But I've now grown to care very much for the young men that are a part of this program and see how hard they work. And also see the results of that work, being competitive and now winning in a very good football conference when everyone told us before it all started to prepare to get blown out for 3 or 4 years. It's not that it bothers me because of me, it bothers me because I feel like it's disrespectful to those kids effort and ability. I understand in any online environment, it's largely knuckleheads. But it doesn't change how I feel about what said. lol Mercer's got a good defense, but I don't necessarily think they are "34 yards in a half" good. Mercer's defense is 34 yards in a half good. |
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Post by jackal on Nov 15, 2015 7:41:41 GMT -5
Mercer's got a good defense, but I don't necessarily think they are "34 yards in a half" good. Mercer's defense is 34 yards in a half good. We can agree to disagree. In any event, it was a good football game. All you can ask for during a nice Saturday in November. |
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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 15, 2015 8:29:31 GMT -5
Furman's Head Coach, Bruce Fowler, is a classy & objective GENTLEMAN. There are also some FU fans who post on message boards.  |
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Post by mumd on Nov 15, 2015 16:15:45 GMT -5
We pointing at individual calls now? Hmmmmmm.... Anyway, good win Bears. Any road win is a good one. Just spent some time over on the Furman board. This seems to have been a recurring theme over the last couple of years that I thought might possibly change if we somehow got a win, especially at their place, but just about every post revolves around bad calls, us being mediocre to bad, how it's our head coach's MO to make bad decisions that cause teams to lose or get close to losing. Basically it's all about the short comings of Furman that we are even in the game. Couldn't possibly be that we are well coached and have good players. It's just been acts of God or opponents playing down to us every single conference game (Except 1) for the last two years that we don't get run out of the building every week. I totally agree. I looked at their board today and almost nobody over there gives the Bears or BL any credit. According to them they lost the game, we didn't win it. To be sure they aren't happy with the state of FU football, but they also refuse to give credit where credit is due IMO. |
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Post by chez23 on Nov 15, 2015 20:58:53 GMT -5
Mercer learning how to win tough games. Can't wait to this this program in a few years with more depth. Should be very exciting in Macon!!
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Post by FCS Fan on Nov 15, 2015 21:00:41 GMT -5
We pointing at individual calls now? Hmmmmmm.... Anyway, good win Bears. Any road win is a good one. Just spent some time over on the Furman board. This seems to have been a recurring theme over the last couple of years that I thought might possibly change if we somehow got a win, especially at their place, but just about every post revolves around bad calls, us being mediocre to bad, how it's our head coach's MO to make bad decisions that cause teams to lose or get close to losing. Basically it's all about the short comings of Furman that we are even in the game. Couldn't possibly be that we are well coached and have good players. It's just been acts of God or opponents playing down to us every single conference game (Except 1) for the last two years that we don't get run out of the building every week. I totally agree. I looked at their board today and almost nobody over there gives the Bears or BL any credit. According to them they lost the game, we didn't win it. To be sure they aren't happy with the state of FU football, but they also refuse to give credit where credit is due IMO. Duh... anytime there is a winner and a loser in a sporting contest, one team has to lose for the other team to win. Didn't Mercer think they could win every game they played this season? So, did they lose those games or did the other team win them? If you say Mercer lost them, then you are saying the same thing the Furman fans are saying. They have every right to think they should have won the game, as Mercer fans thought the same thing. |
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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 15, 2015 21:32:47 GMT -5
I totally agree. I looked at their board today and almost nobody over there gives the Bears or BL any credit. According to them they lost the game, we didn't win it. To be sure they aren't happy with the state of FU football, but they also refuse to give credit where credit is due IMO. Duh... anytime there is a winner and a loser in a sporting contest, one team has to lose for the other team to win. Didn't Mercer think they could win every game they played this season? So, did they lose those games or did the other team win them? If you say Mercer lost them, then you are saying the same thing the Furman fans are saying. They have every right to think they should have won the game, as Mercer fans thought the same thing. You know, if you just would have ended your post at "Duh," your contribution would not have been decreased by any measure. |
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Post by bear38 on Nov 16, 2015 8:09:24 GMT -5
I watched the Furman produced ESPN3 replay to see the no call on the Roughing the Kicker FG attempt at 1:18 to go in the game. While they talk about bodies strewn all over the field they only showed the end zone camera angle.
Keep in mind that a properly called roughing penalty would have given Mercer first down with 1:10 to go and Furman with no time outs. Game over.
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Post by bear38 on Nov 16, 2015 18:11:52 GMT -5
I watched the Furman produced ESPN3 replay to see the no call on the Roughing the Kicker FG attempt at 1:18 to go in the game. While they talk about bodies strewn all over the field they only showed the end zone camera angle. Keep in mind that a properly called roughing penalty would have given Mercer first down with 1:10 to go and Furman with no time outs. Game over. I'm not sure of the Board rules on quoting your own post, but I saw a replay of this kick and the roughing was blatant! Two Furman players hit our kicker while his foot was coming down. They totally took him out. If that doesn't get a penalty, then kickers are fair game in the SoCon. |
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Post by jackal on Nov 16, 2015 21:19:05 GMT -5
I watched the Furman produced ESPN3 replay to see the no call on the Roughing the Kicker FG attempt at 1:18 to go in the game. While they talk about bodies strewn all over the field they only showed the end zone camera angle. Keep in mind that a properly called roughing penalty would have given Mercer first down with 1:10 to go and Furman with no time outs. Game over. I'm not sure of the Board rules on quoting your own post, but I saw a replay of this kick and the roughing was blatant! Two Furman players hit our kicker while his foot was coming down. They totally took him out. If that doesn't get a penalty, then kickers are fair game in the SoCon. I rarely see roughing called. If you read the rule, it is pretty open ended. Kicker is essentially protected if he is vulnerable, but incidental contact is not flagged. If the kicker has his balance and the contact is incidental, it is probably not going to be a flag. Especially considering that a referee is typically staring right at the kicker. I guess you can blame the generations of kicker's who channeled their inner soccer player and took dives every time a defender got close to them.  |
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 16, 2015 21:38:26 GMT -5
The Furman guy hit him so hard, he hurt himself.
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Post by Mr Carter on Nov 19, 2015 8:39:42 GMT -5
The Furman guy hit him so hard, he hurt himself. Thats about what happened...the two Furman Players hit each other. The ball (ugly) was long gone. The missed Furman PAT saved us from adding another miss to a list of o-fors on pressure kicks. Just cant believe we still have to deal with this. |
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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 19, 2015 8:59:50 GMT -5
The Furman guy hit him so hard, he hurt himself. Thats about what happened...the two Furman Players hit each other. The ball (ugly) was long gone. The missed Furman PAT saved us from adding another miss to a list of o-fors on pressure kicks. Just cant believe we still have to deal with this. Incorrect. The FU player rushing from Mercer's left (#13) dove and hit Mercer's kicker low while he was still standing on 1 leg in his follow thru. The FU Player rushing from Mercer's right side (#14), who should probably not have been going for the kicker (you only rush from 1 side so they DON'T run into each other - lost a DB to a torn ACL from this exact mistake on the HS Team I was coaching a few years back), ran into the kicker high about an instant after #14 hit him low. They high-lowed him and sandwiched him which is why they all 3 ended up rolling around on the ground. Yes, the ball was gone, but at the time of 1st contact, the ball had reached about the 10 yard line. That means it had traveled about 34 yards. The interwebs tell me a kicked ball travels at 70 mph. Through the magic of an online calculator, that means the ball had left the kicker's foot 0.99 seconds prior to contact. The rule states that a kicker must be given 'reasonable time' to 'recover' following the kick before he can be contracted by a Defensive Player. Is less than 1 second "reasonable time?" I don't think so. Apparently the SoCon official did. That's the only possible reason that Roughing could not have been called. The kicker was hit by both FU players and he was still standing on 1 leg when he was hit. |
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Post by Mr. Carter on Nov 19, 2015 9:10:22 GMT -5
If lessons are learned in defeat, the kicker is getting a great education.
Hey recruit "Baby Lou" from Colquitt Co.
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Post by jackal on Nov 19, 2015 9:33:13 GMT -5
If lessons are learned in defeat, the kicker is getting a great education. Hey recruit "Baby Lou" from Colquitt Co. Not sure if you are a Furman fan, but Hollingsworth is arguably the best kicker in the SoCon (in my opinion, only the UTC kid is in the conversation). Maybe you missed several of the other game winning kicks he's made this year, including the 55 yarder to beat UCF. |
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