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Post by jackal on Oct 29, 2014 14:02:15 GMT -5
Have the bears played the option yet?
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 29, 2014 14:16:55 GMT -5
We have not. The closest thing to it, as FUBeAR calls it, was the Wang-T of Reinhardt, who I compare to roughly the '85 Bears. So, based on that outing, it'll be a challenge.
I will say our line and LB's are pretty nimble and we do a good job on assignment football (been pretty solid against the run this year) but the option is a different animal. No clue on how we handle it.
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Post by jackal on Oct 29, 2014 15:40:35 GMT -5
We have not. The closest thing to it, as FUBeAR calls it, was the Wang-T of Reinhardt, who I compare to roughly the '85 Bears. So, based on that outing, it'll be a challenge. I will say our line and LB's are pretty nimble and we do a good job on assignment football (been pretty solid against the run this year) but the option is a different animal. No clue on how we handle it. It is an offense that thrives on not having enough time to prepare for it. Even if you have time, it is difficult to re-create in practice. Usually have to find a WR or someone who might have run a similar offense in high school. The Bulldog QB is 6'0 220 lbs, so he's a pretty hard guy to mimic. I will say Bobby Lamb is well familiar with the offense. I have often said that there is probably no program in college football that has seen the option more often than Furman. Georgia Southern ran it (and still runs it), Wofford runs a variation of it, and the Citadel runs it. There was even one year where we played Nicholls State in the playoffs, which was one of the small handful of teams nationally that ran it. |
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 29, 2014 16:28:31 GMT -5
I guess another nice thing (if this can be called nice) is we get ElCid and the Terriers in back to back weeks. Might be good for us next week against Wofford.
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Post by MUfan on Oct 29, 2014 16:32:11 GMT -5
I guess another nice thing (if this can be called nice) is we get ElCid and the Terriers in back to back weeks. Might be good for us next week against Wofford. Don't we get Wofford on 11/22, open date next week ? |
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Post by bear38 on Oct 29, 2014 17:20:41 GMT -5
I guess another nice thing (if this can be called nice) is we get ElCid and the Terriers in back to back weeks. Might be good for us next week against Wofford. Don't we get Wofford on 11/22, open date next week ? Yes. That is correct. |
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 29, 2014 17:36:05 GMT -5
I guess another nice thing (if this can be called nice) is we get ElCid and the Terriers in back to back weeks. Might be good for us next week against Wofford. Don't we get Wofford on 11/22, open date next week ? Yeah - not quite back-to-back - Open date AND Warner in between...and the Woffy option is different than the ElCid option - Woffy's looks more like...hmmm...I don't know...mash up Reinhardt's and Chattanooga's O's add some more pitches to RB's...and you might have something like it....with less passing, much less. The Chucktown Bullpup's O is closer to GT and GaSou's old O...but sometimes looks even more throwback - they line up in the straight T sometimes...So, throw a little Army with Doc Blanchard & Glenn Davis into the GT/GaSou O and you might have what the boys'n'babyblue run. As BearDownMU recalled and I said on Sunday night in this thread and Coach Lamb (who, no doubt read my post :-) ) reiterated on the SoCon Teleconference yesterday, the closest thing the Bears have seen to ElCid is Reinhardt's Wang-T O...not so much in form (other than multiple backs going in several directions), but because you have to play assignment football against it or you will be caught with your compression shorts showing. The Bullpups look good to me - our D needs to stay on their feet, do THEIR assignments, and hopefully come up with a few loose balls to 'purchase' a few more possessions. Despite what I've read, I think don't think their D is that bad. I'm not sure what they are trying to accomplish sometimes with their alignment & movement, but I guess they know. They are big, especially at LB, and they play aggressively. Bears will need to use their speed @ RB and WR...and #7 needs to have a BIG game as many other QB's have done vs. them. |
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Post by jackal on Oct 30, 2014 6:51:03 GMT -5
Don't we get Wofford on 11/22, open date next week ? Yeah - not quite back-to-back - Open date AND Warner in between...and the Woffy option is different than the ElCid option - Woffy's looks more like...hmmm...I don't know...mash up Reinhardt's and Chattanooga's O's add some more pitches to RB's...and you might have something like it....with less passing, much less. The Chucktown Bullpup's O is closer to GT and GaSou's old O...but sometimes looks even more throwback - they line up in the straight T sometimes...So, throw a little Army with Doc Blanchard & Glenn Davis into the GT/GaSou O and you might have what the boys'n'babyblue run. As BearDownMU recalled and I said on Sunday night in this thread and Coach Lamb (who, no doubt read my post :-) ) reiterated on the SoCon Teleconference yesterday, the closest thing the Bears have seen to ElCid is Reinhardt's Wang-T O...not so much in form (other than multiple backs going in several directions), but because you have to play assignment football against it or you will be caught with your compression shorts showing. The Bullpups look good to me - our D needs to stay on their feet, do THEIR assignments, and hopefully come up with a few loose balls to 'purchase' a few more possessions. Despite what I've read, I think don't think their D is that bad. I'm not sure what they are trying to accomplish sometimes with their alignment & movement, but I guess they know. They are big, especially at LB, and they play aggressively. Bears will need to use their speed @ RB and WR...and #7 needs to have a BIG game as many other QB's have done vs. them. The Citadel is more of a "pure" triple option game than Wofford, IMO. While the scheme is relatively the same, major differences are that Wofford will run a good deal out of the shotgun and will utilize a TE. There is not a single player on the Citadel's roster identified as a TE. While the wint-t is "similar," it is still a long way from what the Bears will see on Saturday. Mecer does have a good NT, though, and that helps immensely against the option game. |
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Post by badnewsbear on Oct 30, 2014 7:46:47 GMT -5
We have not. The closest thing to it, as FUBeAR calls it, was the Wang-T of Reinhardt, who I compare to roughly the '85 Bears. So, based on that outing, it'll be a challenge. I will say our line and LB's are pretty nimble and we do a good job on assignment football (been pretty solid against the run this year) but the option is a different animal. No clue on how we handle it. It is an offense that thrives on not having enough time to prepare for it. Even if you have time, it is difficult to re-create in practice. Usually have to find a WR or someone who might have run a similar offense in high school. The Bulldog QB is 6'0 220 lbs, so he's a pretty hard guy to mimic. I will say Bobby Lamb is well familiar with the offense. I have often said that there is probably no program in college football that has seen the option more often than Furman. Georgia Southern ran it (and still runs it), Wofford runs a variation of it, and the Citadel runs it. There was even one year where we played Nicholls State in the playoffs, which was one of the small handful of teams nationally that ran it. Jackal, generally how did Bobby do against those offenses? |
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Post by jackal on Oct 30, 2014 9:13:56 GMT -5
It is an offense that thrives on not having enough time to prepare for it. Even if you have time, it is difficult to re-create in practice. Usually have to find a WR or someone who might have run a similar offense in high school. The Bulldog QB is 6'0 220 lbs, so he's a pretty hard guy to mimic. I will say Bobby Lamb is well familiar with the offense. I have often said that there is probably no program in college football that has seen the option more often than Furman. Georgia Southern ran it (and still runs it), Wofford runs a variation of it, and the Citadel runs it. There was even one year where we played Nicholls State in the playoffs, which was one of the small handful of teams nationally that ran it. Jackal, generally how did Bobby do against those offenses? I've seen it go both ways. In 2004 I watched Furman stifle a GSU team that was perhaps the most potent FCS offense I had ever seen. I've also seen us get beaten to death by it (Wofford '08, GSU '02). All of those had Lamb as head coach. Also, in those days, Furman used to take their bye week before scheduling GSU/Wofford back to back. I would say half the difficulty in preparing for the offense is completely shifting gears and preparing for it in a week's time. It is very difficult to do. If you have never seen this before, check out the video from Georgia Southern's title game in 1999. This is Adrian Peterson, who had a short NFL career with the Bears and others, but my goodness he was one heck of an FCS running back. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02t-qgwhmm8). This video is from, IMO, the heyday of SoCon football. Mercer won't see a back like this on Saturday. |
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 30, 2014 11:44:28 GMT -5
Jackal, generally how did Bobby do against those offenses? Mercer won't see a back like this on Saturday. Yes they will. He'll be dressed in Orange & Black (or Lead) and wearing #27 |
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Post by jackal on Oct 30, 2014 12:05:05 GMT -5
Mercer won't see a back like this on Saturday. Yes they will. He'll be dressed in Orange & Black (or Lead) and wearing #27 Come on, Bear. Nothing against Lakes (I think he's a heck of a back), but right now he's not Adrian Peterson. Heck, Louis Ivory wasn't Peterson, and Ivory was a freak. Adrian Peterson averaged 160+ rushing yards per game for his career. That's 10 more yards than Lakes has put up in a single game all season. |
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 30, 2014 12:19:32 GMT -5
Not that I'm making the case, but, to be fair, in that offense, lots of carries for AP. His career average was 6.6 YPC. Lakes is 6.2 so far. As a freshman. Just sayin'...  |
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Post by jackal on Oct 30, 2014 13:15:55 GMT -5
Not that I'm making the case, but, to be fair, in that offense, lots of carries for AP. His career average was 6.6 YPC. Lakes is 6.2 so far. As a freshman. Just sayin'... Adrian Peterson also didn't play against Stetson, Ave Maria, Reinhardt, and Warner. Louis Ivory at Furman rushed for 2,000+ yards and 19 touchdowns as a junior and had 31 100 yard games. He did not play in a triple option offense either. Again, that is not a critique of Lakes. Peterson and Ivory are arguably the two best FCS running backs of all time, and really the only two in the conversation in the SoCon. This is just my opinion, but Peterson, Ivory, Armanti Edwards (App State), and Randy Moss (Marshall) were just on another planet talent-wise. We could have a long conversation about which players belong in the second level behind those four. |
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 30, 2014 14:39:53 GMT -5
Adrian Peterson also didn't play against Stetson, Ave Maria, Reinhardt, and Warner. No...but he did play against D2 Fayetteville State, 2nd year in FCS Savannah State, and D2 Johnson C. Smith teams. And Lakes has not played against Warner. C'mon man...  Peterson and Ivory are arguably the two best FCS running backs of all time, and really the only two in the conversation in the SoCon. If you don't include Stanford Jennings in that 'conversation,' then you lose all credibility with me and likely with anyone who knows anything about SoCon and FU Football history prior to 1998. 3 time SoCon POY - 10 years in the NFL, etc., etc., etc. Peterson, Ivory, Armanti Edwards (App State), and Randy Moss (Marshall) were just on another planet talent-wise. We could have a long conversation about which players belong in the second level behind those four. See above...  |
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