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Post by FUBeAR on Jul 2, 2015 11:17:35 GMT -5
Whoops, looks like I stirred some raw emotions that hadn't been healed yet. "Never Forget" (That's still OK to say, right?) When we're in Cullowhee this Fall, I'll show you the spot on the field where I lost my ACL to a cheap-shotting Catamount. And when we're in Greenville, I'll show you the spot on the field where one of my teammates had his face gashed & nearly lost an eye as the result of a WCU fan hitting him (from behind) in the face with a large wooden stick with metal spikes - a weapon similar to a medieval mace....NEVER Forget...
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Post by bear38 on Jul 2, 2015 11:18:34 GMT -5
FUbEAR --- See, a little education leads to a little progress. I think you should declare victory. He has admitted his first projection was sloppy, thoughtless and full of error. You've probably maxed him out on any more education. In economics we call that "The Law of Diminishing Returns (or Diminishing Utility)". Nah 38...I didn't even get into this... The 'writer' has ID'd him/herself as the owner or administrator of the news site s/he linked to on here. S/he has also identified him/herself as actively participating in Catamount Club functions, which makes him/her a 'booster' under NCAA rules - a “representative of the institution’s athletic interests.” Per NCAA rules, a booster "may not comment on a Prospective Student Athlete on behalf of the Athletic Department to any news or media outlet prior to the PSA signing a NLI." Seems to me that makes these... Link to 'writers' Tweet about WCU prospective PSA with link to his news site articleLink to Article on 'writers' site about a WCU PSA ...NCAA violations. Pretty sure this quote from the Welcome page of the site qualifies its purpose as "on behalf of the Athletic Department" - "We look to spread the word about Catamount athletics and our great university, using this site as a catalyst to develop interest in and provide information about our Catamount sports programs" regardless of disclaimers stating no affiliation. In the NCAA's eyes, the owner/administrator of this site is affiliated and a WCU Athletics "booster." This activity, I believe, can subject WCU to NCAA sanctions, jeopardize the eligibility of the PSA(s), and subject the 'writer' to numerous restrictions regarding his/her association with the athletic program and the university. Seems like a clear-cut violation of NCAA rules to me, BUT I must be wrong (and maybe I need some of that edu-ma-cation you mentioned) because I can't imagine that the WCU Athletics Compliance peeps wouldn't have asked him/her to stop such postings if doing so is a violation. Any NCAA rules experts out there want to edu-ma-cate me? FUbEAR, so would this NCAA rule preclude this site (mubeardown.com) from discussing Mercer PSAs? or link to articles or news sites that discuss Mercer PSAs?
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Post by bear38 on Jul 2, 2015 11:22:08 GMT -5
What does, "on behalf of the Athletic Department" mean?
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Post by jackal on Jul 2, 2015 11:23:25 GMT -5
Not sure Mercer fans would have been ready for the vitriolic taunts from the Statesboro crowd. Sorry those days are gone. Look at the 6:40 mark of this video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeZLB2UC_H4That is at Paladin Stadium for pete's sake (the visitor's side holds, what, 7k?). Imagine what they would have done to Mercer. Sidenote: That 2004 Furman/GSU game was the most incredible football game I've ever seen. Not sure any current SoCon team would stay on the field with either of those teams. From my 1 experience in Statesboro as a visiting fan, the only people ready for that crowd wears striped suits and has 1 hour of yard-time/day. Not sorry those days are gone at all and I wish them the worst as they travel on the road to irrelevancy. Never understood the logic in putting the GSU student section behind the visiting team and next to the visiting fans. Asks for trouble. Every year Furman beat them (especially in Statesboro), their fans would cry about taunting. Frankly, when your football team catches hell for two hours of pre-game and four quarters of football, you have little to complain about if they give you back a little bit on your way out of the stadium.
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Post by FUBeAR on Jul 2, 2015 12:00:08 GMT -5
Nah 38...I didn't even get into this... The 'writer' has ID'd him/herself as the owner or administrator of the news site s/he linked to on here. S/he has also identified him/herself as actively participating in Catamount Club functions, which makes him/her a 'booster' under NCAA rules - a “representative of the institution’s athletic interests.” Per NCAA rules, a booster "may not comment on a Prospective Student Athlete on behalf of the Athletic Department to any news or media outlet prior to the PSA signing a NLI." Seems to me that makes these... Link to 'writers' Tweet about WCU prospective PSA with link to his news site articleLink to Article on 'writers' site about a WCU PSA ...NCAA violations. Pretty sure this quote from the Welcome page of the site qualifies its purpose as "on behalf of the Athletic Department" - "We look to spread the word about Catamount athletics and our great university, using this site as a catalyst to develop interest in and provide information about our Catamount sports programs" regardless of disclaimers stating no affiliation. In the NCAA's eyes, the owner/administrator of this site is affiliated and a WCU Athletics "booster." This activity, I believe, can subject WCU to NCAA sanctions, jeopardize the eligibility of the PSA(s), and subject the 'writer' to numerous restrictions regarding his/her association with the athletic program and the university. Seems like a clear-cut violation of NCAA rules to me, BUT I must be wrong (and maybe I need some of that edu-ma-cation you mentioned) because I can't imagine that the WCU Athletics Compliance peeps wouldn't have asked him/her to stop such postings if doing so is a violation. Any NCAA rules experts out there want to edu-ma-cate me? FUbEAR, so would this NCAA rule preclude this site (mubeardown.com) from discussing Mercer PSAs? or link to articles or news sites that discuss Mercer PSAs? In my uninformed opinion, it would not. A message board is CLEARLY not a "Media Outlet" and this site appears in no way to be operating "on behalf of the Mercer Athletics Department." If, on the other hand, the URL of this site was very similar to that used by the athletic department, made extensive use of athletic department & university graphics in original content news articles about the various teams, used this phrase in an associated Twitter account description, "The official Twitter page of The Bears Sports...," and created/posted advertisements for various Mercer athletics events laid out in e-zine-style format; then creating and posting original content about PSA's would, IMUO, be an NCAA violation IF the owner/administrator/editor/publisher of the site is or could have ever been classified as a Mercer Athletics "Booster" as defined by NCAA Rules. Mentioning PSA's and/or Linking to 'off-site' content, most likely does not rise to the level of a violation, IMUO. That said, I still don't think it's a good practice for fans to do it. I'm telling you, I hope the MU Compliance Peeps ARE watching this site & will tell us if we're getting off track. I'm really shocked that the Catamount ones haven't shut down the 'writer's' activities yet because it appears to me, as that famous Director of Compliance, Sgt. Hulka, once said, "that sh*t is WAYYY out of line!" But it's not just that site. There is another SoCon school/message board that had a LONG thread last year where a poster was describing the HEAVY influencing activities (hard sell) that he was applying to a football PSA. He was an alum, and HE may have been 'protected' by the 'prior relationship exception,' but, if I'm not mistaken, he was encouraging other posters to get involved & talk to the PSA's parents when he visited, etc. Same school message board recently posted a request for others on the site (most likely "boosters") to donate to pay funeral expenses for a family member of a current player. Personally, I feel terrible for the player & wish it was OK for them to do that, but I'd be very surprised if the NCAA wouldn't cite that as an 'extra benefit' violation. They are risking his eligibility by doing this, which is terrible & potentially bringing NCAA sanctions against their program...as cold & heartless as that may be. I think if you look up "heartless" in the dictionary, you'll see an NCAA logo...no words...just the logo is enough to make the definition clear. UPDATE: OMG - I just looked at the gofundme site set up by the player and right there in black & white is a $500 donation from the Head Coach's wife and others from former players, and former players parents...Maybe the NCAA has some 'hardship' or "bereavement" exception to the "extra benefits" rule. So...anyway, those are my uninformed thoughts & I, honestly, would hate for any of these young men, from any school, to have their NCAA eligibility jeopardized by a bunch of has-been's, never-were's, wannabe's, old farts like us.
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Post by BearDownMU on Jul 2, 2015 16:25:30 GMT -5
Not to rehash, and I'm glad you come and play here Jackal. I mean that. And don't take this is wrong way, but I really couldn't care less if someone primarily aligned with another school thought it was a dumb decision. New program, biggest increase in donors in school history, season tickets that sold out in 24 hours, a 6x increase in Athletic Foundation giving, and the Furman game being the biggest game on the schedule by far. All that adds up to get as many Mercer people in the stands as humanly possible. Good marketing, good strategy, and taking care of Mercer people first and foremost. As an athletic alum and booster, I was glad we did what we did and, frankly once word spread, it was even a source of positive reaction from Mercer folks. You might not have liked it, but it was hardly dumb. We will just have to disagree. Again, I understand why Mercer did it. In fact, it did not surprise me that they did. Mercer likes doing things their own way, and I often disagree with those decisions. I personally am sorry I didn't get to see Mercer try to pull the stunt with Georgia Southern. That would have been entertaining. I've seen them bring nearly as many fans to a road game as will even fit in Mercer's stadium. So no, I do not think setting aside a couple hundred tickets for a visiting school (as has been the custom of every team in this conference forever) would be a big deal. I think I have to disagree. Just because I'm not convinced that the GaSou crowd would have figured out how to get up I-16 to the stadium. The directions would have been too complicated. BOOM!
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Post by jackal on Jul 2, 2015 21:19:28 GMT -5
We will just have to disagree. Again, I understand why Mercer did it. In fact, it did not surprise me that they did. Mercer likes doing things their own way, and I often disagree with those decisions. I personally am sorry I didn't get to see Mercer try to pull the stunt with Georgia Southern. That would have been entertaining. I've seen them bring nearly as many fans to a road game as will even fit in Mercer's stadium. So no, I do not think setting aside a couple hundred tickets for a visiting school (as has been the custom of every team in this conference forever) would be a big deal. I think I have to disagree. Just because I'm not convinced that the GaSou crowd would have figured out how to get up I-16 to the stadium. The directions would have been too complicated. BOOM! Probably not that hard. Feel like half of Georgia Southern's student body is from Macon anyway.
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Post by FUBeAR on Jul 2, 2015 21:58:01 GMT -5
I think I have to disagree. Just because I'm not convinced that the GaSou crowd would have figured out how to get up I-16 to the stadium. The directions would have been too complicated. BOOM! Probably not that hard. Feel like half of Georgia Southern's student body is from Macon anyway.
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Post by bear38 on Jul 9, 2015 12:52:03 GMT -5
In case anyone is interested the 2014 UTC-WCU game is still on the socondigital network if you want to watch it. You have to search football and scroll the calendar back several months. The quality of the broadcast is suspect with a lot of sound issues and the down/distance graphics don't update. I made it through the first half (UTC 35-0 at that point). The commentators discuss the Mercer-UTC game toward the end of the second quarter, but I kept thinking of the famous (infamous?) Al Gore quote, "I can't believe I'm losing to this guy!"
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Post by FUBeAR on Jul 9, 2015 16:20:09 GMT -5
In case anyone is interested the 2014 UTC-WCU game is still on the socondigital network if you want to watch it. You have to search football and scroll the calendar back several months. The quality of the broadcast is suspect with a lot of sound issues and the down/distance graphics don't update. I made it through the first half (UTC 35-0 at that point). The commentators discuss the Mercer-UTC game toward the end of the second quarter, but I kept thinking of the famous (infamous?), native son of Tennessee, Al Gore quote, "I can't believe I'm losing to this guy!" FIFY
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Post by bear38 on Jul 9, 2015 19:20:20 GMT -5
In case anyone is interested the 2014 UTC-WCU game is still on the socondigital network if you want to watch it. You have to search football and scroll the calendar back several months. The quality of the broadcast is suspect with a lot of sound issues and the down/distance graphics don't update. I made it through the first half (UTC 35-0 at that point). The commentators discuss the Mercer-UTC game toward the end of the second quarter, but I kept thinking of the famous (infamous?), native son of Tennessee, Al Gore quote, "I can't believe I'm losing to this guy!" FIFY Yep our tobacco and global warming multi-multi-millionire. Who knew government service paid so well? Well, I guess the Clinton's learned from Gore and took it to the next level.....
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Post by BearDownMU on Jul 9, 2015 20:31:07 GMT -5
What do you mean who knew? Every person in Congress is rich. lol
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Post by bear38 on Jul 10, 2015 11:10:49 GMT -5
What do you mean who knew? Every person in Congress is rich. lol Some were rich before they went. Some got rich after they got there. And there are many in Congress who are not rich. It is those who got rich while in Congress at the expense of the taxpayers that should be under scrutiny. If we had a free press in this country, they would be under scrutiny.
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Post by BearDownMU on Jul 10, 2015 13:01:38 GMT -5
Uh oh. I better bow out before the press conversation happens.
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