MU22
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Post by MU22 on Jan 24, 2016 13:25:40 GMT -5
Why does MU not have any players listed on the commitment list in Rivals? Other SOCON schools, like Wofford do but MU has nobody? I ran the Georgia Southern Rivals.com board from 1999-2001 (until the first version of Rivals.com went bankrupt in the dot-com bust). All the recruiting services have a select few folks they allow to directly alter/adjust/update the database, which inherently means that when the information is rolling in hot and heavy, they get backlogged. Many of the recruits rated that are assigned to FCS schools were seen first hand by these folks and evaluated during games they were attending, most likely while evaluating other recruits. They will put notes in the database (not viewable to the public side). As one would expect, the larger sites (and fanbases) get attention first. The recruiting services almost exclusively will not assign the 'stars' until those filtering all that information have seen film or seen a recruit in person in a game or combine. That is one reason you see that ESPN, Scout, 24/7, Rivals, etc all have voids in certain regions. Rivals and ESPN probably has the broadest national coverage, but their depth regionally is questionable once you get to a certain level of athlete. Scout and 24/7 are better regionally, IMO with their grading ... yet they have a limited presence in some markets which make their national rankings suspect. I do like what 24/7 has done with their composite rankings, but even that has it's flaws.he My personal observation is that many of those doing the evaluation, have little background playing the game. Most have a "journalist" background. IMO much of the star rating is a byproduct of the hype machine. I am not suggesting the players are not talented. As I've followed recruiting and the evolution of the star rankings, you can sort of see the alignment in scoring akin to this: 2 stars - recruit has at least one reported FBS offer 3 stars - multiple FBS offers 4 stars - multiple FBS offers and most recruiting services have them rated in the top 200 5 stars - multiple FBS offers, consensus top 50 ranking from all recruiting services You will find that before signing day, several FBS recruits will be listed without rankings, and after signing day they will be rated at least at 2 stars. Conversely, players who sign with FCS programs will occasionally be downgraded after signing day, despite the fact that there is absolutely no way the recruiting service has suddenly evaluated everyone. Keep in mind, there are around 6000 Division 1 players signing each fall. |
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Post by mercerfan on Jan 24, 2016 20:39:20 GMT -5
An OL commit tonight from 615 area code.
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Post by mercerfan on Jan 24, 2016 20:44:49 GMT -5
According to soconrecruiting web site it is AJ Comer of Lebanon, TN. 6-5, 270. Maybe too tall for FUBEAR. Lol.
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Post by FUBeAR on Jan 24, 2016 21:04:45 GMT -5
According to soconrecruiting web site it is AJ Comer of Lebanon, TN. 6-5, 270. Maybe too tall for FUBEAR. Lol. Yep that's the one - SoConRecruiting is always OTJ & TCB! 6'5" is 'pushing it' in my book, but if he can (AND WILL) BEND & MOVE, that can work. But if he's ONLY 6'5" ''every play," I got no use for that ish. Haven't watched any vid on him, so I can't comment & if I had & didn't like him, I wouldn't comment anyway. Besides, that's his 'listed' height. If his is like most, he's probably 6'3-1/4"; no more than 6'4". It's the 6-6+ OL guys that are going FCS that I know CAN'T play...barring some very unusual set of circumstances. |
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Post by FUBeAR on Jan 25, 2016 12:43:49 GMT -5
Excellent thread here on the best National FCS-Related FanBoard - AnyGivenSaturday. Lots of good discussion by some wise, experienced, and long-long-long-time FCS Fans about Recruting STARS and what they mean (and/or don't mean) in FCS Recruiting. AnyGivenSaturday - Thread: Top 10 FCS Recruiting Classes |
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Post by jackal on Jan 25, 2016 12:45:41 GMT -5
According to soconrecruiting web site it is AJ Comer of Lebanon, TN. 6-5, 270. Maybe too tall for FUBEAR. Lol. Yep that's the one - SoConRecruiting is always OTJ & TCB! 6'5" is 'pushing it' in my book, but if he can (AND WILL) BEND & MOVE, that can work. But if he's ONLY 6'5" ''every play," I got no use for that ish. Haven't watched any vid on him, so I can't comment & if I had & didn't like him, I wouldn't comment anyway. Besides, that's his 'listed' height. If his is like most, he's probably 6'3-1/4"; no more than 6'4". It's the 6-6+ OL guys that are going FCS that I know CAN'T play...barring some very unusual set of circumstances. I suppose that is on a case by case basis. Furman had a pretty good man-mountain a couple of years ago named Joel Bell. He had a cup of coffee with the Buffalo Bills and spent time in the CFL. All SoCon player. I think he was listed at 6'8 310 or thereabouts (at that size, who's counting?) I think his parents were missionaries and he did not start playing football until he was maybe a junior in high school. |
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Post by BearDownMU on Jan 25, 2016 13:04:39 GMT -5
Of course all of these are generalizations. My personal take (certainly influenced by conversations with FUBeAR) is that at the FCS level, with our offense, fundamentals and athleticism are more important than height and weight. (Not that linemen don't need to be bigger and stronger than, say, a WR or RB). People fall in love with measurements and it gives very little insight into the quality of football player.
At the FBS level it's different. There are those guys that are 6'6'', 310, can pull, beat the running back to the edge, and block an LB. But that's probably the reason they are at FBS. A freakish combination of size and athleticism.
For the offense we run (where the OL if often doing much more than just standing up and blocking) I'd personally be fine with a guy being smaller if he has or can learn good solid technique and can move around and make FOOTBALL PLAYS. The hard reality is if they are super big and not going to FBS, the athletic part is probably what's missing, or, not at the level to get them to that level.
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Post by FUBeAR on Jan 25, 2016 14:53:05 GMT -5
Yep that's the one - SoConRecruiting is always OTJ & TCB! 6'5" is 'pushing it' in my book, but if he can (AND WILL) BEND & MOVE, that can work. But if he's ONLY 6'5" ''every play," I got no use for that ish. Haven't watched any vid on him, so I can't comment & if I had & didn't like him, I wouldn't comment anyway. Besides, that's his 'listed' height. If his is like most, he's probably 6'3-1/4"; no more than 6'4". It's the 6-6+ OL guys that are going FCS that I know CAN'T play...barring some very unusual set of circumstances. I suppose that is on a case by case basis. Furman had a pretty good man-mountain a couple of years ago named Joel Bell. He had a cup of coffee with the Buffalo Bills and spent time in the CFL. All SoCon player. I think he was listed at 6'8 310 or thereabouts (at that size, who's counting?) I think his parents were missionaries and he did not start playing football until he was maybe a junior in high school....and THERE is that very unusual set of circumstances. BTW - he's listed at 6'7" 315 - NFL Combine Info - He gained 65 lbs @ FU...so he was 6'7" 250 with 2 years of TOTAL football experience when he signed as, I'm sure, a 0 Star/Unrated signee...He really didn't know the rules of football until his Sr year in HS. Only got in the games his Jr. year because Spartan High had an injury in the O-Line.....BUT he grew up playing soccer and hoops in Eastern Europe - Feet / Athleticism, etc. That's the kind of situation FCS schools should take a flyer on. Otherwise....recruit FOOTBALL PLAYERS, not measurables or Stars! |
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Post by jackal on Jan 25, 2016 21:00:58 GMT -5
I suppose that is on a case by case basis. Furman had a pretty good man-mountain a couple of years ago named Joel Bell. He had a cup of coffee with the Buffalo Bills and spent time in the CFL. All SoCon player. I think he was listed at 6'8 310 or thereabouts (at that size, who's counting?) I think his parents were missionaries and he did not start playing football until he was maybe a junior in high school....and THERE is that very unusual set of circumstances. BTW - he's listed at 6'7" 315 - NFL Combine Info - He gained 65 lbs @ FU...so he was 6'7" 250 with 2 years of TOTAL football experience when he signed as, I'm sure, a 0 Star/Unrated signee...He really didn't know the rules of football until his Sr year in HS. Only got in the games his Jr. year because Spartan High had an injury in the O-Line.....BUT he grew up playing soccer and hoops in Eastern Europe - Feet / Athleticism, etc. That's the kind of situation FCS schools should take a flyer on. Otherwise....recruit FOOTBALL PLAYERS, not measurables or Stars! Sure. If he was that size and a veteran football player and on college radars, I doubt he would have played for Furman. |
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Post by Clueless Fan on Jan 26, 2016 8:45:00 GMT -5
From the Knoxville News Sentinel, "Brock's commitment came after a recent official visit to the campus located in Macon, Ga. He left impressed with the school's academic structure, and says he quickly jelled with the coaching staff and a number of players. He hopes to factor into Mercer's pass-happy pistol offense as a freshman." |
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Post by FUBeAR on Jan 26, 2016 9:05:25 GMT -5
From the Knoxville News Sentinel, "Brock's commitment came after a recent official visit to the campus located in Macon, Ga. He left impressed with the school's academic structure, and says he quickly jelled with the coaching staff and a number of players. He hopes to factor into Mercer's pass-happy pistol offense as a freshman." Ahem...."RUN THE DANG BALL!" |
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Post by smokeybear on Jan 26, 2016 9:47:05 GMT -5
I assume Brock's high school coach - George Quarles - played for Lamb at Furman. Lot of talent coming out of Marville.
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Post by BearDownMU on Jan 26, 2016 11:39:59 GMT -5
"Pass-happy pistol"?
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Post by jackal on Jan 26, 2016 14:39:51 GMT -5
I assume Brock's high school coach - George Quarles - played for Lamb at Furman. Lot of talent coming out of Marville. Sort of. Lamb graduated from Furman in 1987. Quarles graduated in 1989. It is probably more appropriate to say they were teammates. Lamb was a coach in 1987 and 1988, but he coached defensive ends. Quarles was a wide receiver. |
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Post by mercerfan on Jan 27, 2016 21:52:39 GMT -5
Another commit tonight from South Georgia.
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