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Post by jackal on Oct 5, 2017 12:24:24 GMT -5
When you have multiple crippling 4th quarter losses over the last few years then yes they will stand out. Sure everyone has a crippling loss at some point but MU is NOW known for it and that not a very good identity to have. So how to avoid it being a characteristic of a program? Maybe if people stopped making a bigger deal of it than it should be on message boards would be a good start. lol I tend to recall a game last year where Mercer came back in the fourth quarter to take a lead in a contest they had no business winning. |
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 5, 2017 14:47:26 GMT -5
Maybe if people stopped making a bigger deal of it than it should be on message boards would be a good start. lol I tend to recall a game last year where Mercer came back in the fourth quarter to take a lead in a contest they had no business winning. Shut up Jackal. You'll ruin the narrative. |
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 5, 2017 15:12:14 GMT -5
I tend to recall a game last year where Mercer came back in the fourth quarter to take a lead in a contest they had no business winning. Shut up Jackal. You'll ruin the narrative. Not necessarily...The Bears did also LOSE a lead late in the 4th quarter in THAT game. |
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Post by jackal on Oct 5, 2017 20:21:59 GMT -5
Shut up Jackal. You'll ruin the narrative. Not necessarily...The Bears did also LOSE a lead late in the 4th quarter in THAT game. Come to think of it, the last two games may actually support the narrative. Mercer lost the lead in 2016 and benefitted from Furman doing who knows what in the two minute drill. In 2015, Mercer had a 20-0 lead and benefiitted from a bonehead Furman penalty on the tying score. I'd buy an argument that both games were similar fourth quarter collapses by the Bears. |
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Post by Ghost on Oct 6, 2017 9:41:49 GMT -5
Information that I'm just going to leave here to marinate.
Furman 2002- Blew a late lead vs. villinova giving up 24 in the 4th. APP state that year on the PAT return.
Furman 2003- None
Furman 2004- JMU, PITT and APP games blew late leads
Furman 2005- App playoff game
Furman 2006-CCU
Furman 2007- CIT in OT
Furman 2008-APP 4th quarter lead
Furman 2009-Elon 4th quarter lead blown
Furman 2010- Chatt 18 point 4th quater lead blown
Mercer 2013-First year back no blown late leads
Mercer 2014-Spent all losses fighting from behind.
Mercer 2015-TTU,Woffy, WCU all late leads blown.
Mercer 2016- Cit
Mercer 2017 so far- Woff and ETSU.
17 blown late leads in 14 years.
I'll hang up and listen.
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 6, 2017 11:54:13 GMT -5
Information that I'm just going to leave here to marinate. Furman 2002- Blew a late lead vs. villinova giving up 24 in the 4th. APP state that year on the PAT return. Furman 2003- None Furman 2004- JMU, PITT and APP games blew late leads Furman 2005- App playoff game Furman 2006-CCU Furman 2007- CIT in OT Furman 2008-APP 4th quarter lead Furman 2009-Elon 4th quarter lead blown Furman 2010- Chatt 18 point 4th quater lead blown Mercer 2013-First year back no blown late leads Mercer 2014-Spent all losses fighting from behind. Mercer 2015-TTU,Woffy, WCU all late leads blown. Mercer 2016- Cit Mercer 2017 so far- Woff and ETSU. 17 blown late leads in 14 years. I'll hang up and listen. So, lost 11% of all games played in this manner. OR... did NOT lose 89% this way. We'd all like that number to be 0%, but what is the norm? |
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 6, 2017 12:15:32 GMT -5
Damn all of you for making me go and do this research
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 6, 2017 12:27:02 GMT -5
Information that I'm just going to leave here to marinate. Furman 2002- Blew a late lead vs. villinova giving up 24 in the 4th. APP state that year on the PAT return. Furman 2003- None Furman 2004- JMU, PITT and APP games blew late leads Furman 2005- App playoff game Furman 2006-CCU Furman 2007- CIT in OT Furman 2008-APP 4th quarter lead Furman 2009-Elon 4th quarter lead blown Furman 2010- Chatt 18 point 4th quater lead blown Mercer 2013-First year back no blown late leads Mercer 2014-Spent all losses fighting from behind. Mercer 2015-TTU,Woffy, WCU all late leads blown. Mercer 2016- Cit Mercer 2017 so far- Woff and ETSU. 17 blown late leads in 14 years. I'll hang up and listen. Woffy in 2015 we were down entering the 4th quarter and outscored them 10-7 in the 4th to force over time. |
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 6, 2017 15:15:06 GMT -5
Information that I'm just going to leave here to marinate. Furman 2002- Blew a late lead vs. villinova giving up 24 in the 4th. APP state that year on the PAT return. Furman 2003- None Furman 2004- JMU, PITT and APP games blew late leads Furman 2005- App playoff game Furman 2006-CCU Furman 2007- CIT in OT Furman 2008-APP 4th quarter lead Furman 2009-Elon 4th quarter lead blown Furman 2010- Chatt 18 point 4th quater lead blown Mercer 2013-First year back no blown late leads Mercer 2014-Spent all losses fighting from behind. Mercer 2015-TTU,Woffy, WCU all late leads blown. Mercer 2016- Cit Mercer 2017 so far- Woff and ETSU. 17 blown late leads in 14 years. I'll hang up and listen. Woffy in 2015 we were down entering the 4th quarter and outscored them 10-7 in the 4th to force over time. so...10%. Is that too high? What is 'good?' |
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Post by jackal on Oct 6, 2017 16:11:45 GMT -5
Lot of painful memories. I'll never forget the 2002 App State game.
You left off 2010 Georgia Southern, Lamb's final game at Furman. The Paladins blew an 11 point fourth quarter lead with under 4:00 to go. Furman ended up fumbling deep inside their own zone while trying to run out the clock. GSU scored a couple plays later.
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 6, 2017 17:07:40 GMT -5
Lot of painful memories. I'll never forget the 2002 App State game. You left off 2010 Georgia Southern, Lamb's final game at Furman. The Paladins blew an 11 point fourth quarter lead with under 4:00 to go. Furman ended up fumbling deep inside their own zone while trying to run out the clock. GSU scored a couple plays later. So, 11%...what is the standard? |
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Post by wcugrad95 on Oct 9, 2017 9:18:53 GMT -5
Just chiming in again as an outsider...
Actually wouldn't it be better to look at each team individually?
Furman - 11 blown leads in 15 seasons (well under 1/season even if you bump the number to 12 with Jackal's addition)
Mercer - 6 blown leads in 5 seasons (just over 1/season)
As for Furman, there are some pretty strong teams on the list of comebacks - AppState and Georgia Southern for the most part were beasts in the SoCon even back to the early 2000s, PITT is an FBS team, etc.
As for Mercer, that is 6 blown leads in the new era of your football HISTORY! I'd bet that other start-up teams have either a similar to worse ratio OR they have not had the opportunity to be leading many times in the 4th quarter of games.
And as FUBeAR is pointing out, everybody wants it to be 0% but in a league with so much parity I am thinking an average of 1 loss of a late lead per season is very normal. WCU just lost the lead to Wofford in the 4th quarter and the game in OT on the road - does that mean we aren't good or that is normal and a bad trend? Is there an expectation to never lose a lead? I'm too lazy to do the research, but I would also think it is typical for re-boot programs like Mercer and ETSU to first learn how to be competitive (Mercer did that right off the bat and probably spoiled some fan's realism with your first Pioneer-league season), then you learn how to get over the hump in winning close games, then you learn how to always beat the teams you should beat. That is the natural progression of things, and I am guessing the passion is coming out because you have lost some leads to teams you really expected to beat. I saw the meltdown at WCU in 2015 and that was just one of those games where things started going bad and Mercer couldn't get it back - that happens from time to time (i.e. 1 game or so per season).
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Post by jackal on Oct 9, 2017 11:24:09 GMT -5
Just chiming in again as an outsider... Actually wouldn't it be better to look at each team individually? Furman - 11 blown leads in 15 seasons (well under 1/season even if you bump the number to 12 with Jackal's addition) Mercer - 6 blown leads in 5 seasons (just over 1/season) As for Furman, there are some pretty strong teams on the list of comebacks - AppState and Georgia Southern for the most part were beasts in the SoCon even back to the early 2000s, PITT is an FBS team, etc. As for Mercer, that is 6 blown leads in the new era of your football HISTORY! I'd bet that other start-up teams have either a similar to worse ratio OR they have not had the opportunity to be leading many times in the 4th quarter of games. And as FUBeAR is pointing out, everybody wants it to be 0% but in a league with so much parity I am thinking an average of 1 loss of a late lead per season is very normal. WCU just lost the lead to Wofford in the 4th quarter and the game in OT on the road - does that mean we aren't good or that is normal and a bad trend? Is there an expectation to never lose a lead? I'm too lazy to do the research, but I would also think it is typical for re-boot programs like Mercer and ETSU to first learn how to be competitive (Mercer did that right off the bat and probably spoiled some fan's realism with your first Pioneer-league season), then you learn how to get over the hump in winning close games, then you learn how to always beat the teams you should beat. That is the natural progression of things, and I am guessing the passion is coming out because you have lost some leads to teams you really expected to beat. I saw the meltdown at WCU in 2015 and that was just one of those games where things started going bad and Mercer couldn't get it back - that happens from time to time (i.e. 1 game or so per season). That Pitt team in 2004 went to the Fiesta Bowl. Furman lead by 17, and it went to double OT. Most Furman fans will argue that the only reason the game was close was Pitt players started to throw cheap shots around and knocked several key Furman players out of the game. Hard to compare eras though. I may be in the minority, but in my opinion Furman's 2004 and 2005 teams, App State teams in 2005, 2006, and 2007 and Georgia Southern's 2002, 2004, would be three touchdown favorites over any of the current SoCon teams. With the influx of teams at the D1 level, I'm not sure we will see that serious a collection of talented teams in the SoCon for quite sometime. Those teams were incredibly good. For the record, WCU did beat Furman in 2004 after some mystical hilbilly magic spell casting in Cullowhee. |
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