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Post by chez23 on Oct 28, 2017 8:49:33 GMT -5
MU from 5 years ago is in the same position like other programs that have fired their coach....new coaches usually have a 4-5 year time table to make things happen. to recruit "their' Players and build a program. It really doesn't matter if the program is new or not....when a new coach comes in they are all practically starting over and then it takes 3 years to see the first year recruits become seniors and then other recruits under them be better. So this year or next needs to be the break out year for this staff.
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 28, 2017 9:56:34 GMT -5
That you think the fact that the coaches came in with zero players and the program was starting from scratch doesn't matter effectively ends this conversation. It can't be discussed rationally with that kind of silly opinion.
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Post by FUBeAR on Oct 28, 2017 11:43:51 GMT -5
MU from 5 years ago is in the same position like other programs that have fired their coach....new coaches usually have a 4-5 year time table to make things happen. to recruit "their' Players and build a program. It really doesn't matter if the program is new or not....when a new coach comes in they are all practically starting over and then it takes 3 years to see the first year recruits become seniors and then other recruits under them be better. So this year or next needs to be the break out year for this staff. So, here is what you’re saying... * New Program with 0 established name recognition = Established Program with maybe 100+ years of Tradition * New Program with 0 established network of Recruiting contacts = Established Program with ‘recorded history’ of Recruiting & Established contacts. (Don’t argue with me here. I’ve been in this type of business for almost 25 years & have ‘started from scratch’ 4 times. It’s COMPLETELY different than picking up an existing Recruiting network) * Recruiting Non-scholarship Players for the PFL = Recruiting Scholarship Players So, you aren’t too far off with your ‘other programs’ estimate. Most Coaches are getting 5-7 year contracts to take over an existing program...for a reason. At Mercer, the timetable is, and should be, different... +2 years due to start-up Program challenges +2 years to account for the change from 2 Recruiting years as a non-scholarship program 5 to 7+4 equals 9 to 11 years. So, if Mercer Football is not where the Leadership of the University expects it to be by sometime between the 2021 & 2023 seasons, then they should consider making some changes. |
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Post by chez23 on Oct 30, 2017 9:35:56 GMT -5
Good points and I agree with it all. The only thing that seems to not be accepted in here is that this team deserves to be winning this conference THIS year and the staff's ability to win tight games has cost these kids that. I have never doubted this staff ability to recruit or have this team ready to play. They have done a great job there. Yes it is very hard to take a start up program and find immediate success.....which amazingly enough they have done. And as amazing as that is they still should have a better record and should of won the conference....in only it's 4 year!
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Post by jackal on Oct 30, 2017 10:44:48 GMT -5
Good points and I agree with it all. The only thing that seems to not be accepted in here is that this team deserves to be winning this conference THIS year and the staff's ability to win tight games has cost these kids that. I have never doubted this staff ability to recruit or have this team ready to play. They have done a great job there. Yes it is very hard to take a start up program and find immediate success.....which amazingly enough they have done. And as amazing as that is they still should have a better record and should of won the conference....in only it's 4 year! Again, why does Mercer deserve to win anything? SoCon titles are earned, not handed out because it's your turn. Did the staff commit holding penalties and let Furman convert on 4 fourth downs? Did the staff let ETSU's running back run right by them for a wideopen touchdown pass in overtime? Did the staff let Wofford rip the ball out of their hands in the fourth quarter? |
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Post by chez23 on Oct 30, 2017 15:26:46 GMT -5
With the talent/effort this team plays with then yes they should be on top of the conference this year. They do deserve it! That opportunity was there to be had this year. When you pick out key plays in a games and state the issue then that leads directly to coaching up the players to be ready for key parts of a game. Did the staff have the right defense called? Did the staff study enough tape to get the player in a position to make plays? Does the team do ball control drills? When games are tight this staff gets tight and the team feeds off that in a negative way. Again this team is talented enough to be at the top of this conference this year. And there is no denying the fact that MU could very well be 6-0 or 5-1 right now in conference play.
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Post by jackal on Oct 30, 2017 15:41:15 GMT -5
With the talent/effort this team plays with then yes they should be on top of the conference this year. They do deserve it! That opportunity was there to be had this year. When you pick out key plays in a games and state the issue then that leads directly to coaching up the players to be ready for key parts of a game. Did the staff have the right defense called? Did the staff study enough tape to get the player in a position to make plays? Does the team do ball control drills? When games are tight this staff gets tight and the team feeds off that in a negative way. Again this team is talented enough to be at the top of this conference this year. And there is no denying the fact that MU could very well be 6-0 or 5-1 right now in conference play. So talent + effort = SoCon titles? Did you consider that other teams in this conference also have talent and put in effort? Does Mercer have the talent and effort markets cornered? |
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 30, 2017 15:55:04 GMT -5
With the talent/effort this team plays with then yes they should be on top of the conference this year. They do deserve it! That opportunity was there to be had this year. When you pick out key plays in a games and state the issue then that leads directly to coaching up the players to be ready for key parts of a game. Did the staff have the right defense called? Did the staff study enough tape to get the player in a position to make plays? Does the team do ball control drills? When games are tight this staff gets tight and the team feeds off that in a negative way. Again this team is talented enough to be at the top of this conference this year. And there is no denying the fact that MU could very well be 6-0 or 5-1 right now in conference play. Lol. I quit. I draw the line at "ball control drills". |
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Post by ursus on Oct 30, 2017 16:07:40 GMT -5
Lol. I quit. I draw the line at "ball control drills". We actually did do this at the beginning of practices. Usually, in camp/early season I think. The offense would split up into position groups and do one of 4 drills. A guy stands behind you and throws the ball over your head and you start from your knees and scramble to cover it up. You and a partner try to knock the ball out while you jog 10 yards, hold the ball on each side. Run through two lines of people on each side trying to knock the ball out, if you drop it you do pushups. Stand in a circle and throw a few balls around while practicing making 3 points of contact when you catch it. Usually, this was real quick like a period or two at most. |
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Post by chez23 on Oct 30, 2017 21:49:18 GMT -5
talent + Effort + COACHING = Titles.... ( you forgot a big piece...coaching)
Ursus..you played under this staff?
As far as the "ball control drills" take that as you will but it was more to make a point on coaching philosophy...dont take it to heart*
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Post by jackal on Oct 31, 2017 6:33:25 GMT -5
talent + Effort + COACHING = Titles.... ( you forgot a big piece...coaching) Ursus..you played under this staff? As far as the "ball control drills" take that as you will but it was more to make a point on coaching philosophy...dont take it to heart* My point is that this isn't simplified into some rote formula with nebulous notions of "coaching." Certainly, coaches have their role to play, but the players still have to execute their assignments. I think the flaw in your logic is that you are looking at this in a vacuum. Yes, Mercer is a talented team. No, they are not the only talented team. |
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Post by chez23 on Oct 31, 2017 8:58:16 GMT -5
MU was talented enough this year to win the conference. Wofford/ETSU should of been W's. Yes players need to make plays but coaches also need to figure out how to manage a 4th quarter when leading.
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Post by chez23 on Oct 31, 2017 16:37:56 GMT -5
Saw this on Sept 25, 2017.......relates directly to my entire discussion these past few weeks in here. They had a chance to win the conference this year. #13 ranked despite being 1-3? must have some good quality in this program at that point to be that high with a losing record. 3 straight losses by a total of 15 pts (one it ot) Agian....hit my points right on target. Cant win the tight games.....coaching. And I like BL but maybe he needs more help or better help on his staff to? Staffs are vert important. Is MU giving BL enough support? And look where their 2 losses early are here....Wofford and ETSU....at the bottom.
After week 4
RANK TEAM RATING W L
1 South Dakota State 52.81 3 0
2 Sam Houston State 48.17 3 0
3 North Dakota State 41.95 3 0
4 Illinois State 41.28 3 0
5 James Madison 38.79 4 0
6 Jacksonville State 37.25 2 1
7 South Dakota 36.21 3 0
8 Montana State 36.18 1 2
9 Maine 35.55 1 2
10 Stony Brook 34.42 3 1
11 Nicholls 33.14 2 2
12 Eastern Washington 29.73 2 2
13 Mercer 29.42 1 3
14 Weber State 29.37 3 1
15 McNeese 29.32 3 1
16 Richmond 28.86 2 2
17 Western Illinois 27.92 3 0
18 The Citadel 27.48 3 0
19 William & Mary 26.74 2 1
20 Furman 26.64 1 3
21 Youngstown State 26.29 2 1
22 Western Carolina 26.07 3 1
23 UC Davis 25.36 2 2
24 Albany 25.20 3 1
25 Elon 24.09 3 1
26 Columbia 24.07 2 0
27 Sacramento State 24.02 2 2
28 Northern Colorado 23.81 2 1
29 Tennessee State 23.63 3 1
30 Delaware 23.51 2 1
31 Dartmouth 23.37 2 0
32 Princeton 23.27 2 0
33 Austin Peay 23.01 2 2
34 Southern Utah 23.00 2 2
35 Montana 22.51 2 2
36 Indiana State 22.35 0 3
37 Samford 22.30 2 2
38 Tennessee-Martin 22.15 3 1
39 Southern Illinois 22.09 2 1
40 Bucknell 21.47 2 2
41 North Dakota 20.58 1 3
42 Central Arkansas 20.28 2 1
43 New Hampshire 19.97 3 1
44 Liberty 19.88 3 1
45 Rhode Island 19.88 1 3
46 Chattanooga 19.55 1 3
47 Charleston Southern 19.28 1 2
48 Monmouth 19.08 3 1
49 Eastern Kentucky 18.33 1 2
50 Northern Arizona 18.21 1 2
51 Brown 18.03 1 1
52 Wofford 17.64 3 0
53 East Tennessee State 17.55 2
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Post by BearDownMU on Oct 31, 2017 21:10:42 GMT -5
Lol. What is this? Wofford has been a Top 10 team since the pre-season.
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Post by chez23 on Nov 1, 2017 9:19:49 GMT -5
FUBAR posted this on Sept 25th. It was a ranking after week 4. Funny how Wofford is 5-1 in conference ( 7-1 overall) and all their conference games have been very close...but they know how to get the W's in tight games...... supporting my case even more about MU struggles in tight games.
W Sat, Sep 2 vs FurmanW 23 - 24
W Sat, Sep 9 @mercerw 28 - 27
W Sat, Sep 23 vs Gardner-WebbW 24 - 27
W Sat, Sep 30 @ Presbyterian W 31 - 7
W Sat, Oct 7 vs WCU W 28 - 35 Final/OT
W Sat, Oct 14 @ Citadel W 20 - 16
L Sat, Oct 21 vs SamfordL 24 - 21
W Sat, Oct 28 @ East TN St W 31 - 24
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