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Post by speakindatruth on Nov 25, 2019 21:33:21 GMT -5
-12 in the turnover margin is solely on the defense? I do not think so also when your scoring average of 28 is boosted because of below-average defenses such as Pc, pioneer league, and Western Carolina. A grand total of 7 points against Wofford, and 10 points against Furman. Not to mention 4 turnovers against Austin Peay 2 returned for touchdowns, 4 turnovers against Furman, an interception returned for a touchdown against Campbell, 3 turnovers and 2 blocked kicks against UTC. Stats do not lie. Yes, the defense gave up 35 points a game, however, try to find a coach that can defend against the short field. Not all of the team's struggles were on the defense. Not disagreeing there. But many times you would see our players well out of position on 3rd and 5+. Not saying that’s the sole problem, the athletes are there the scheme was not. In their defense, it’s also very difficult to adapt to a new coordinator and only give him one year to prove himself. Sure there were turnovers on offense, I’m not saying there weren’t. I just don’t believe going to a triple option offense is the answer. Does it work? Absolutely. But getting what we have executing on a high level allows us to compete with anybody. Last year, we were in EVERY game minus Memphis. This year we just seemed out of sorts on defense a lot. Not the players fault, I attribute it to scheme. You and I can agree that on 3rd and 2 when you read dive you should be filling a gap, we did not. I personally did not want to see Coach Lamb go; with the decision made I would be focused on the areas where the most improvement is needed. Once again, my two cents. |
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 25, 2019 21:34:24 GMT -5
-12 in the turnover margin is solely on the defense? I do not think so also when your scoring average of 28 is boosted because of below-average defenses such as Pc, pioneer league, and Western Carolina. A grand total of 7 points against Wofford, and 10 points against Furman. Not to mention 4 turnovers against Austin Peay 2 returned for touchdowns, 4 turnovers against Furman, an interception returned for a touchdown against Campbell, 3 turnovers and 2 blocked kicks against UTC. Stats do not lie. Yes, the defense gave up 35 points a game, however, try to find a coach that can defend against the short field. Not all of the team's struggles were on the defense. I don't think anyone is saying it was solely on the defense, but these threads have largely been consumed by ideas of how changing offensive scheme is the magic medicine to make all right with the world, and yet no one has talked at all about issues with the defense. Just pointing out that there more to it than just finding a different kind of offense to run. |
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Post by Mount de Sales on Nov 25, 2019 22:38:35 GMT -5
There’s no substitute for quality players, or coaches, but the option controls the ball and the clock. It keeps the defense off the field and gives it rest. Hard to score without the ball. We all want to win big and often and pack the stadium. I’m convinced the TO give us a huge advantage over what everyone else is doing today.
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Nov 25, 2019 22:41:31 GMT -5
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Post by MercerDoc on Nov 25, 2019 22:41:31 GMT -5
There’s no substitute for quality players, or coaches, but the option controls the ball and the clock. It keeps the defense off the field and gives it rest. Hard to score without the ball. We all want to win big and often and pack the stadium. I’m convinced the TO give us a huge advantage over what everyone else is doing today. Couldn’t agree more Mt de sales! |
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 25, 2019 22:59:40 GMT -5
Then why doesn't everyone on earth run the option?
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Post by wcugrad95 on Nov 25, 2019 23:06:41 GMT -5
I am obviously an outsider, but I can tell you there has been very similar talk about the triple option in Catamount discussions (many driven by the fact that Paul Johnson is a WCU grad and people want him to consult). To me, I think the argument at both schools that shifting to the Triple Option automatically allows you to somehow take control of games needs to be carefully considered. Making a fundamental shift in what you do as a program does not happen overnight, and you have to get in players that fit that scheme - meaning you have to be prepared for some tough times when you shift either way (to the triple option or away from it - see Georgia Tech).
What I also noticed is that both programs are down, and many fans think the TO is going to be some kind of overnight magic bullet. You guys are at least now positioned to go after a new staff and clearly have leadership up to the President that are proving they are serious about winning football. So you are already in a better position than many other places that are looking for new coaches (or ***should be*** looking for new ones).
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Post by Mount de Sales on Nov 25, 2019 23:26:02 GMT -5
Then why doesn't everyone on earth run the option? Not many people understand it, and not a lot of coaches can’t coach it. I have zero confidence in finding a coach that’s trying to do what everyone else is trying to do. Trying to recruit the same players, and expecting to have a significantly better result. I’m also frustrated that there’s another very young program in the state that’s back in the playoffs while we’re below 500. I say take that system and do it even better. |
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Post by Mount de Sales on Nov 25, 2019 23:29:00 GMT -5
“and not a lot of coaches can coach it.”
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 25, 2019 23:37:33 GMT -5
Because not a lot of people can coach it?!?! And no one understands it?!? Lol. Yeah, that's why only a handful of schools ran the spread for all of the early 2000s and *no one* runs tons of RPO now. Because if something is amazing *no one* can learn it or copy it. It's just too darn hard for coaches to figure out. Come on, man.
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Post by jackal on Nov 26, 2019 6:30:23 GMT -5
Then why doesn't everyone on earth run the option? Not many people understand it, and not a lot of coaches can’t coach it. I have zero confidence in finding a coach that’s trying to do what everyone else is trying to do. Trying to recruit the same players, and expecting to have a significantly better result. I’m also frustrated that there’s another very young program in the state that’s back in the playoffs while we’re below 500. I say take that system and do it even better. Remember your league, too. The option isn't "different" in the SoCon. At least two or three teams have run that offense in this league for the last 30 years. Teams see it all the time and spend all year practicing for it. Bottom line, hire the right coach and run whatever offense he wants to run. Just to use Furman as an example, when Clay Hendrix was hired, he didn't really bring an offense to Furman. The Paladin offense is a hodgepodge of a bunch of different schemes compiled by their offense staff, many of whom come from different offensive backgrounds. |
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Post by BearUp on Nov 26, 2019 18:52:21 GMT -5
Kudos to AD Cole and AAD Tate for making the right decision to part ways with Coach Lamb. It should have been done last year with the other coaching changes. We had 14 All Conference players and went 4-4 in the conference...tsk, tsk,tsk ! Coach Lamb may be a decent guy, and the kids were very successful in the classroom;' but he had little to no trust/relationship with most of the kids in our program the last 4 years... winning Coaches have great relationships with the kids and are respected and looked up to ! As many have stated, there are quite a few Coaches in our area who are proven winners both on the field and in the classroom. We have many gaping holes to fill, so I hope thru recruiting and the Transfer Portal we can get a few experienced kids in here quickly to stabilize and turn around the program. (I got the message last week about your thoughts about JuCo kids... FYI, there are 800+ playing D1 football, and I am willing to bet that some are very good people and look like us !!! I'm sorry, I digress.. I mean "fit the Mercer profile"  I do agree with many that on paper G. Quarles, OC Furman and Drew Cronic, HC LR appear to be guys that I hope are on our shortlist. lrbears.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/drew-cronic/408P.S. Check out this weeks playoff game between Furman and Austin Peay. AP is in the midst of one of the greatest turnarounds in D1 and FCS history. From 2013 to 2016, the Governors were the nation’s worst program, going 1-45, starting a losing streak that reached 29 games in 2017. This year they went 9-3 and 7-1 winning the OVC. We all hope our Bears will have GREAT years in the near future ! |
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Post by FUBeAR on Nov 26, 2019 20:26:17 GMT -5
AP is in the midst of one of the greatest turnarounds in D1 and FCS history. Undoubtedly, they must’ve converted to the GaSou / Navy / GT / Army / Citadel / Kennesaw / Jacksonville Triple Option. |
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Post by smokeybear on Nov 26, 2019 20:36:05 GMT -5
Derek Dooley probably available soon. He’s trending in this direction. Maybe he has learned a lot since his disastrous UT stop, but I am not a fan. He is a micromanager and he can't recruit. But he is a funny guy in an interview. |
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Post by BearDownMU on Nov 27, 2019 0:18:31 GMT -5
I'm OK with transfers. I just think we be more successful and have less risk with FCS/FBS 1st year kids than JUCO's (meaning, by definition, players that were actually in a Junior College program).
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Post by Mount de Sales on Nov 27, 2019 10:34:47 GMT -5
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